Romney is officially the current frontrunner
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The Dude wrote:I just think it's odd that so many people think flip-flopping for politics is worse than honestly believing the right wing social package. I disagree. Believing that stuff is worse.
I really wanted to believe that Bush was just playing the part to get the Jesus vote .. I am really disappointed to find out in truth he really has swallowed the hook line and sinker.
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silentkid wrote:TAK...Are you the same TAK from Desperation and The Regulators? I apologize for the brief derailment.
If you are referring to the Stephen King stuff no.
Altho some might think I am the the personification of evil.. and that would be kinda cool but maybe not as cool as a Dude...
Actually it is just my initials.
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The Dude wrote:I just think it's odd that so many people think flip-flopping for politics is worse than honestly believing the right wing social package. I disagree. Believing that stuff is worse.
If you were referring to me (not sure you were, but if) then I don't think that flip-flopping is worse than believing the right wing social package. I don't believe in the right wing social package, and I'm interested in whether Romney really does believe it (in which case I couldn't vote for him) or if he's just faking it to get through the primaries (in which case I might be able to vote for him, at least with respect to the right wing social package issues). Either way, I am dismayed at his obvious flip-flopping and pandering to the religious right.
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Sethbag wrote:I'm just cynical enough to look at Romney's flip-flopping right before a Presidential bid and have my BS meter totally pegged when the reason given is that he finally got around to thinking long and hard about things. So far, until otherwise convinced, I'm going with political expediency.
Name one politician who does not change.
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The Dude wrote:I just think it's odd that so many people think flip-flopping for politics is worse than honestly believing the right wing social package. I disagree. Believing that stuff is worse.
Well that is why you have other candidates to choose from. Ones that support your view. For me Romney is the best choice. But I am sure we differ on various views. I think the left wing anti-social package is pretty bad.
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The Dude wrote:I just think it's odd that so many people think flip-flopping for politics is worse than honestly believing the right wing social package. I disagree. Believing that stuff is worse.
I think there is something redeeming about Mitt's commitment to a right wing social package just because it is currently xpedient. Even though we would suffer the same if he became President, you would never know whether in his heart he actually believed his own drivel - Hmmm, well maybe not too redeeming but it does create reasonable doubt in a burning-at-the-stake case.
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moksha wrote:When the billionaires come on board, the Republicans will always be able to outspend the Democrats. They are the party of the rich. With those bucks they have promoted and succeeded in electing very deficient candidates, who support their policies.
That's what I like to see, democracy in action.
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Jason Bourne wrote:Sethbag wrote:I'm just cynical enough to look at Romney's flip-flopping right before a Presidential bid and have my BS meter totally pegged when the reason given is that he finally got around to thinking long and hard about things. So far, until otherwise convinced, I'm going with political expediency.
Name one politician who does not change.
There's a difference between honest, principled change and flip-flopping to gain political advantage. I think that the willingness and ability to change one's mind is an admirable trait. In contrast, I think that unprincipled flip-flopping to pander to voting blocs is less admirable, although at times necessary and to be expected.
Politicians may also not really feel that strongly about something and make up their minds depending on political advantage. That's fine too; we all do something like that. There are many things I believe, but I'm not really committed to them, and for practicality's sake I'd consider or be willing to compromise or change my mind.
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