Nephi wrote: Okay, so I said we evolved from Apes, though this is not correct. Most people aren't willing to really see what it is we evolved from. Evolution doesn't not stipulate that will is not part of the equation, but it cannot be proven nor disproven, so it is just ignored. There is a point in our evolution when we went from innocent animals to creatures which could tell the difference from good and bad. That is the fall...
Hm. Yes it does stipulate that will is NOT part of the equation.
Nephi can you will yourself to evolve. Right now! DO IT!
Report back with details.
No no. I am not saying that will caused them to evolve, but that there was a desire to know more, and that will evolved mankind into the understanding of Good and Evil.
You did say will caused them to evolve. Didn't you? You're getting me confuzzled. ;P
Certainly there came a point where man evolved to greater thought processes, but I wouldn't say there was a choice. You do? If there is a choice that is willing it to happen. Right?
Nephi wrote: Okay, so I said we evolved from Apes, though this is not correct. Most people aren't willing to really see what it is we evolved from. Evolution doesn't not stipulate that will is not part of the equation, but it cannot be proven nor disproven, so it is just ignored. There is a point in our evolution when we went from innocent animals to creatures which could tell the difference from good and bad. That is the fall...
Hm. Yes it does stipulate that will is NOT part of the equation.
Nephi can you will yourself to evolve. Right now! DO IT!
Report back with details.
No no. I am not saying that will caused them to evolve, but that there was a desire to know more, and that will evolved mankind into the understanding of Good and Evil.
You did say will caused them to evolve. Didn't you? You're getting me confuzzled. ;P
Certainly there came a point where man evolved to greater thought processes, but I wouldn't say there was a choice. You do? If there is a choice that is willing it to happen. Right?
We are splitting hairs on what I said. Yes, I did day that will caused them to evolve, but we are not talking about a physical evolution here. I am speaking about a mental process that occurred. There was a choice of sorts, but no more so than what is taught by Adam and Eve.
In the temple, it is taught that there really wasn't a choice to fall. It was going to occur regardless, but they still had a "choice". Same thing here. The evolution was inevitable, but there was a point where "whatever" decided to cross that line and come to an understanding of good and evil.
barrelomonkeys wrote:So you're saying before the "fall", which was not really a choice, we just bumbled about?
After we had thought processes to recognize the consequences of our actions that we then had "the fall"?
Where is God in this equation?
I'm not following you!!!!!!!!! I'm trying!
We didn't "bumble about", but we didn't have a concept of good and evil. We went from "natural" to "manmade"... We went from being a part of nature to being separate from it (at least in our minds).
barrelomonkeys wrote:So you're saying before the "fall", which was not really a choice, we just bumbled about?
After we had thought processes to recognize the consequences of our actions that we then had "the fall"?
Where is God in this equation?
I'm not following you!!!!!!!!! I'm trying!
We didn't "bumble about", but we didn't have a concept of good and evil. We went from "natural" to "manmade"... We went from being a part of nature to being separate from it (at least in our minds).
But where is God in evolution? Where is the choice to choose evil in your theory of the fall?
I'm completely serious when I tell you I want to understand what you're trying to tell me. I don't geddit.
Nephi wrote:We are splitting hairs on what I said. Yes, I did day that will caused them to evolve, but we are not talking about a physical evolution here. I am speaking about a mental process that occurred. There was a choice of sorts, but no more so than what is taught by Adam and Eve.
In the temple, it is taught that there really wasn't a choice to fall. It was going to occur regardless, but they still had a "choice". Same thing here. The evolution was inevitable, but there was a point where "whatever" decided to cross that line and come to an understanding of good and evil.
Okay. So the mental process was a choice? I'm sorry! I can NOT understand this. What was the choice precisely? Who made the choice?
Can someone else help me?
I just don't understand what you are trying to say to me.
Nephi wrote:We are splitting hairs on what I said. Yes, I did day that will caused them to evolve, but we are not talking about a physical evolution here. I am speaking about a mental process that occurred. There was a choice of sorts, but no more so than what is taught by Adam and Eve.
In the temple, it is taught that there really wasn't a choice to fall. It was going to occur regardless, but they still had a "choice". Same thing here. The evolution was inevitable, but there was a point where "whatever" decided to cross that line and come to an understanding of good and evil.
Okay. So the mental process was a choice? I'm sorry! I can NOT understand this. What was the choice precisely? Who made the choice?
Can someone else help me?
I just don't understand what you are trying to say to me.
I think the only choice they had for many, many years was to follow the food supply. Once that was taken care of then they had a lot of free time.
