More Excommunications

Post by **_Livingstone22** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:13 am

bcspace wrote:
I'm proud of him.

Birds of a feather.......Romans 1:32

Oh my God, you had better speak to what you are insinuating right away....you have made some extremely serious charges to me, even insinuating I am "worthy of death." If this is the case, never speak to anything I say here ever again, and you will be reported immediately to the moderators. I hope everyone here recognizes what you have said.

LOL! Is it a sin to reference the Bible? If Paul puts those who support/applaud/facilitate these sins (which include the homosexual lifestyle choice) in the same category as those who actually commit them, what of it?

That's all I needed to hear. You have assumed I am a practicing homosexual (which I am not), and that I am worthy of death. You have had a harassing attitude to many of my posts, and I do not want you do not be involved in the comments that I further make, or to speak to me on here again.

Post by **_bcspace** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:18 am

LOL! Is it a sin to reference the Bible? If Paul puts those who support/applaud/facilitate these sins (which include the homosexual lifestyle choice) in the same category as those who actually commit them, what of it?

That's all I needed to hear. You have assumed I am a practicing homosexual (which I am not),

Where have I so assumed? Did you not read Romans 1:32? If you support the homosexual lifestyle choice (among other sins) then you are in the same category as those who commit such sins. Simple as that. Do you support the homosexual lifestyle choice? Hopefully not if you claim to believe the Bible.

You have had a harassing attitude to many of my posts, and I do not want you do not be involved in the comments that I further make, or to speak to me on here again.

You can choose to ignore me.

Post by **_Livingstone22** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:26 am

bcspace wrote:
LOL! Is it a sin to reference the Bible? If Paul puts those who support/applaud/facilitate these sins (which include the homosexual lifestyle choice) in the same category as those who actually commit them, what of it?

That's all I needed to hear. You have assumed I am a practicing homosexual (which I am not),

Where have I so assumed? Did you not read Romans 1:32? If you support the homosexual lifestyle choice (among other sins) then you are in the same category as those who commit such sins. Simple as that. Do you support the homosexual lifestyle choice? Hopefully not if you claim to believe the Bible.

You have had a harassing attitude to many of my posts, and I do not want you do not be involved in the comments that I further make, or to speak to me on here again.

You can choose to ignore me.

You have assumed too many things, and to use a scripture against someone you don't even know, insinuating that said person is worthy to be killed is horrendous. I can't fathom why you have said what you have.

Post by **_bcspace** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:26 am

--and I would say that most people need to not be held to things that they don't know....

The Church would say the same. Reid knows what the position of the Church is and yet he preaches publically against it.

And this is the whole thing about this post....how can you excommunicate people if they don't have that "perfect knowledge"?

Exactly the point. Preaching against an organization shows that one does not believe. Not only that, but quite the opposite. They are not even trying to believe. Therefore, it is good to part ways with such a one.

And how could they know if they know or not?

In a variety of ways. John 7:17 being one. The aforementioned Alma 34 being another.

I have a friend (no, it is not me) who, after years of consideration, fully believes in his heart that after prayer and consideration, he has received the revelation that being homosexual is the right thing, and that God fully accepts his lifestyle choice. He told his stake president who has challenged this as a false revelation.

Why should he expect otherwise? LDS doctrine is that it is the only true and God-authorized Church on the face of the earth. Your friend's personal revelation contradicts what God has said to the world through His authorized servants. Therefore his personal revelation is false.

He is currently awaiting an excommunication court. I personally don't think he has (although he has faith what he's doing is right) anywhere knowledge on the truths of these things, and therefore shouldn't be excommunicated.

It is harmful to the Church to keep a member in good standing who willfully opposes the doctrine.

....but I don't know, I had another friend who is severely mentally ill (with self-destructive behaviours during severe depressive and manic episodes--including causing irreversible damage at the hand of a knife in her own hand), but she was excommunicated notwithstanding.

If that is the only information to go on, I'd say you are lying.

Post by **_bcspace** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:31 am

You have assumed too many things,

CFR

and to use a scripture against someone you don't even know, insinuating that said person is worthy to be killed is horrendous. I can't fathom why you have said what you have.

What exactly have I said? What did Paul say? You seem unable to make the distinction. But I certainly do agree with Paul that those who approve of sin are in the same category as those who commit them. I'm sure you would agree with that principle though we might disagree on what is sin.

Reid approves of homosexuality. If you support Reid, then by default you also support homosexuality. By supporting homosexuality, you are in the same sinful category as a homosexual according to Romans 1:32. I believe the Bible to be the word of God. Don't you?

Post by **_moksha** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:47 am

Scriptures that speak of those deserving death are rather distressful. Perhaps one of those flecks of history, so to speak.

BC, is your favorite living Apostle, Elder Packer by any chance?

Post by **_bcspace** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:53 am

Scriptures that speak of those deserving death are rather distressful.

I understand, however we have to deal with them especially if they teach important principles.

Perhaps one of those flecks of history, so to speak.

I don't consider Romans 1:32 to be an abberation or wrong.

BC, is your favorite living Apostle, Elder Packer by any chance?

I don't really have a favorite. My guides are the actual doctrinal works of the Church in which all the apostles participate.

Post by **_Sethbag** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:49 am

bcspace wrote:Why should he expect otherwise? LDS doctrine is that it is the only true and God-authorized Church on the face of the earth. Your friend's personal revelation contradicts what God has said to the world through His authorized servants. Therefore his personal revelation is false.

By this logic, all your absurd hand-waving attempts to shoehorn Evolution into LDS doctrine and teaching is demonstrably false. You can easily counter this by providing doctrinal sources where the church teaches what you've been offering up as ways in which evolution and LDS doctrine can be harmonized. I bet you can't.

Oh, and ROFL at you over Harry Reid. I've never seen anywhere where Harry Reid says that homosexuality is a great idea and people really ought to consider it as a possible lifestyle choice. All I've ever seen Harry Reid do is fight to get religious fanatics like you off homosexuals' backs. You should stop oppressing gays, and you should stop advocating the oppression of gay people. It just may be that there's more to this whole gay thing than you or I know about or understand, and if there is a God, and an afterlife, you may well be held to account for how you supported sticking it to so many of his children. If there isn't a God, and no afterlife, then you're just being an asshole to a bunch of your fellow humans.

Post by **_harmony** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:26 pm

Wasn't James Faust a Democrat?

Post by **_bcspace** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:37 pm

Why should he expect otherwise? LDS doctrine is that it is the only true and God-authorized Church on the face of the earth. Your friend's personal revelation contradicts what God has said to the world through His authorized servants. Therefore his personal revelation is false.

By this logic, all your absurd hand-waving attempts to shoehorn Evolution into LDS doctrine and teaching is demonstrably false.

You're just mad because your favorite arguments turned out not to be LDS doctrine. Pathetic.

Oh, and ROFL at you over Harry Reid. I've never seen anywhere where Harry Reid says that homosexuality is a great idea and people really ought to consider it as a possible lifestyle choice.

At the very least he falls under the Romans 1:32 principle simply by being a Democrat (one in a high enough position to know what the platform is). He does not have to personally agree with the homosexual lobby in order to be a facilitator of it.

All I've ever seen Harry Reid do is fight to get religious fanatics like you off homosexuals' backs.

To oppose the Church in such a way over the marriage amendment is grounds for excommunicate for anyone else. I simply maintain that Reid should not get off scott free where others get ex'd.

It just may be that there's more to this whole gay thing than you or I know about or understand, and if there is a God, and an afterlife, you may well be held to account for how you supported sticking it to so many of his children.

By this logic, I haven't 'stuck it' to anyone as I simply believe and support LDS doctrine. Nothing more, nothing less.

If there isn't a God, and no afterlife, then you're just being an asshole to a bunch of your fellow humans.

The same could easily be said of you.

Wasn't James Faust a Democrat?

Doesn't matter to me if one is an apostle. However, there was a day when you really could find true conservatives and LDS believers among the Democrats. Impossible today.