Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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1. Actually, it's not "my" mistake, don't know why you keep lying.....

I quote....

When the Twelve met the day after Carrington’s second letter,
the former apostle’s rebaptism was far from settled; many of the apostles
were still irate—as much at Carrington’s having lied to them as at
his adultery. “After dinner the case of Albert Carrington was brought
up,” recorded Heber Grant.

President Wilford Woodruff stated that he had received a number of
letters from Carrington requesting baptism. He said he would feel
much better to rebaptize him than to deny him this boon. Felt that
when he got through with this life, and met Albert Carrington in the
eternal worlds, that he would dislike to have him accuse him of a lack of
mercy.

John with. Taylor moved that our quorum sanction the rebaptism
of Albert Carrington into the Church
. This motion was seconded by
Daniel H. Wells.


Grant then narrated in considerable detail the deliberations
that followed:


The rest is Grants retelling of the meeting, which doesn't include John Taylor, but as stated is a meeting later after his death.
As anyone can see from the above quote the author at the link Gary James Bergera, clearly "imply's" that John Taylor was at this particular meeting.
So, while it was my error at first in that I "skimmed" the information at the link, the ultimate error is with the author, not me.
Still, I conceeded that point as an error.

2. So, here again we see grindael entirely refuses to provide a simple screenshot of the page of Grants Journal which say's Grant is the one saying the statement in question, rather than Woodruff as the above linked article says (again a second error by that author).

Whether Grants Journal is in digital or hard copy form, it would take anywhere from 1-5 min's to simply screenshot it and upload it.
Yet, instead grindael has created TWO LONG POSTS now, trying to belittle me, diverting peoples attention from the fact that he's been caught lying. In that time, he could have easily demonstrated his case, at least with the necessary evidence.
Instead, he continues to berate me, telling me to buy it myself.

So, again..... I call for referrences.
You claim Grant said it. You thus need to prove it. You're after all the one who's creating the article claiming this.
You've likely already put it on your website demonstrating it as another "Mormon liar".
You're the one pretending to be a "scholar"...... so, do as scholars do, provide your SOURCES!!!!

3. And by the way grindal..... I didn't say a thing about John Taylor in my second post.
Yet your response post that was supposedly a responce to that post, has multiple bolds of you stating John Taylor was dead already.
I had already conceeded that point, yet you act like I didn't. Thus, clearly you bearly at all responded to my second post in any sort of intellectual and cohesive manner.
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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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You really are an idiot. John with. Taylor was PRESIDENT John Taylor's SON. He was an apostle that later got excommunicated for opposing the Manifesto because his father had a "revelation" in 1886 claiming that polygamy would NEVER be revoked. Why provide you with further sources when you can't even comprehend the ones you already have?

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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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Okay, that's nice....
So, I'm not up to date on all the middle initials.
Still doesn't change the point.....

Still waiting for a screenshot from Grants Journal demonstrating your claim.
You said the author errored in saying Woodruff said it.... (that is one error for certain (according to you) ) so, waiting on your proof.

3rd or 4th post now you've made without providing the screenshot of GRANT actually saying it.
Your linked "proof" doesn't state that.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Okay, that's nice....
So, I'm not up to date on all the middle initials.
Still doesn't change the point.....

Still waiting for a screenshot from Grants Journal demonstrating your claim.
You said the author errored in saying Woodruff said it.... (that is one error for certain (according to you) ) so, waiting on your proof.

3rd or 4th post now you've made without providing the screenshot of GRANT actually saying it.
Your linked "proof" doesn't state that.


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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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Holy “F”, ldsfaqs. Why don't you just admit a goddamn mistake when you've made one? We've all made mistakes on this forum and have owned up to them. Stop making yourself, and by extension your faith look so idiotic and stubborn.

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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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ldsfaqs wrote:Okay, that's nice....
So, I'm not up to date on all the middle initials.
Still doesn't change the point.....

Still waiting for a screenshot from Grants Journal demonstrating your claim.
You said the author errored in saying Woodruff said it.... (that is one error for certain (according to you) ) so, waiting on your proof.

3rd or 4th post now you've made without providing the screenshot of GRANT actually saying it.
Your linked "proof" doesn't state that.


Yeah, and you're the guy who bragged that he knew 100 times more than anyone. I've just shown you to be a crass liar. As for Grant actually saying it, the link does say so, it is Bergera who doesn't think so, but the ACTUAL QUOTE THAT BERGARA CITES indeed does show that Grant claims to be "undecided". Here it is dipstick,

...President Wilford Woodruff stated that he [Wilford Woodruff] could not agree with Brother Joseph F. that Albert Carrington had committed the unpardonable sin. Stated that he [Wilford Woodruff] should not call a vote on the question, as our quorum was divided right in the middle. He [Wilford Woodruff] felt that the Lord would not be pleased with a vote that was a divided one. Felt that we had better let this case drop. We all had a right to our views and our own feelings, and he [Wilford Woodruff] was glad to have the brethren express their ideas freely and frankly, and he [Wilford Woodruff] had no feelings because the brethren disagreed with him.

Before Brother Woodruff spoke, I [Heber J. Grant] stated that I [Heber J. Grant] would like to express my opinion on the subject, but he [Wilford Woodruff] told me that it was unnecessary, as he [Wilford Woodruff] had decided to drop it. After Brother Woodruff had made his remarks, I [Heber J. Grant] stated that there had been a feeling in my [Heber J. Grant's] heart from the first application of Albert Carrington for rebaptism to grant it; and that each time that I [Heber J. Grant] had refused to do so, I had felt condemned; but that so far as my [Heber J. Grant's] judgement was concerned, that all of the intelligence that I [Heber J. Grant] possessed was opposed to the rebaptism of Albert Carrington. I [Heber J. Grant] felt that he was unworthy of baptism, and I [Heber J. Grant] had fought against the inclination to admit him back into the Church, feeling that the disposition to be merciful had warped my better judgement. I [Heber J. Grant] would be thankful indeed in my heart if the word of God to our quorum would come through Prest with. Woodruff on the Albert Carrington case. It is painful to me [Heber J. Grant] to feel that I [Heber J. Grant] am lacking in mercy to a fallen brother and it is equally painful to vote to let a man return to the church that has been guilty of such fearful crimes as Albert Carrington. To vote directly against the best judgment a man has is a serious thing, and to turn away one crying for baptism is also a serious thing. I [Heber J. Grant] am very much undecided.
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I believe ldsfaqs defends LDS Inc due to his dependance upon them.

With him currently unemployed, I am sure he is getting help from LDS Inc. At least free food from the bishop's storehouse, if not financial support.
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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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Still waiting for the screenshot....

All you've done is add the text. That's not proof.

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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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Ok, I've had enough fun thrashing you. :twisted: You've lost at every turn, but still can't admit when you are wrong. (Astoundingly, incredibly, massively wrong) Here is the last nail in the coffin. Eat some more crow, sucka! Copyright & Page 1, Pages 50-51, the Grant quote is top left on page 50. Now, piss off, dipstick. You know nothing about Mormonism but what you read from Mopologists. It is obvious that reading such trash has made you a dimwit.


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Re: Another "Prophet" caught fibbing...

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Polygamy-Porter wrote:I believe ldsfaqs defends LDS Inc due to his dependance upon them.

With him currently unemployed, I am sure he is getting help from LDS Inc. At least free food from the bishop's storehouse, if not financial support.



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