Member of local Bishopric jailed on sex abuse charges

[_mentalgymnast]

Absolutely disgusting.

I agree. When these sorts of stories come out it breaks one's heart to know that an innocent child has been the victim of someone else's bad behavior/choices. We live in a fallen world and the LDS Church and its members/leaders, along with the rest of humanity, fall prey to and are tempted to sin.

My thinking is that God weeps along with the rest of us when agency results in His children doing evil. Even after they may have repented and received forgiveness in some instances.

Regards,
MG

[_Sanctorian]

MG, this is one of the most disgusting troll attempts I have ever read. I hope to God your kids are never abused by some church leader because your response to them will be “it could be it was Gods will your were sodomized so this man could be called to repentance”.

Just STFU you disgusting pedophile worshipping lover.

[_Craig Paxton]

Absolutely disgusting.

I agree. When these sorts of stories come out it breaks one's heart to know that an innocent child has been the victim of someone else's bad behavior/choices. We live in a fallen world and the LDS Church and its members/leaders, along with the rest of humanity, fall prey to and are tempted to sin.

My thinking is that God weeps along with the rest of us when agency results in His children doing evil. Even after they may have repented and received forgiveness in some instances.

Regards,
MG

With all due respect...Your God is an A$$

[_mentalgymnast]

According to MG "God Love Pediphiles"

If you look at the post I made just before yours on the last page of this thread, I think you will see that my views are not quite as simple...black and white...as you would like to make them out to be.

I would say, however, that God does love the sinner...however great their sin. But He doesn't condone the sin.

Not ever.

Regards,
MG

[_Sanctorian]

MG, just go back to the shulem thread where you got your ass handed to you. This thread is not for you.

[_Maksutov]

According to MG "God Love Pediphiles"

If you look at the post I made just before yours on the last page of this thread, I think you will see that my views are not quite as simple...black and white...as you would like to make them out to be.

I would say, however, that God does love the sinner...however great their sin. But He doesn't condone the sin.

Not ever.

Regards,
MG

We can read. Is a peepstone required to turn your vapid evasions into something of substance and meaning?

Big deal, God loves this and that. The humans are the ones doing the damage, waving the "God" symbol around to justify and hide their crimes. Joseph Smith and Roy Moore, peas in a pod except that Moore was never as predatory, deceptive and hypocritically disgusting as your "prophet".

Thanks for once again showing us things you never intended to.

[_Res Ipsa]

MG, if your worldview leads you to a place where you seriously propose that your God put the abuser in a position where he could abuse a child so that he could get caught, maybe you should think about rethinking your position.

[_mentalgymnast]

The bishop made a mistake and dealing with these remote possibilities in order to privilege the church just compounds the problem.

I would say, as has been said earlier in this thread, that the change in church policy to permit Bishop's counselors to help him interview the youth and relieve his burdens also creates a greater risk in that there are more men doing the interviews and by association a greater risk of some men falling prey to temptation/sin.

The odds go up. And I'm torn between the fact that Bishop's are able to have their own burdens lightened vs. the risk that there are going to be more instances such as the one we're discussing in this thread.

No argument to the downside of this policy change. I think that there may need to be more safeguards put in place/practice. I know that a few years ago when I was membership clerk that when counselors are/were doing interviews that they had a clerk in attendance outside the door during the interview so that they weren't strictly alone with the youth and/or women.

I think it should be pointed out again that we don't know whether or not the man in question in this thread committed this sin/misbehavior before or during his term as a Bishop's counselor. We don't know the whole story.

And to be clear...again...what he did was just plain wrong and justice demands accountability. And that is what we are observing as this unfortunate circumstance plays out.

Regards,
MG

[_Maksutov]

MG, if your worldview leads you to a place where you seriously propose that your God put the abuser in a position where he could abuse a child so that he could get caught, maybe you should think about rethinking your position.

This is one of the divine features of Abrahamic religion, a love of the human sacrifice. It's well suited to militant movements bent on conquest. It devalues humans, always. An enabler of genocide.

[_mentalgymnast]

MG, this is one of the most disgusting troll attempts I have ever read. I hope to God your kids are never abused by some church leader because your response to them will be “it could be it was Gods will your were sodomized so this man could be called to repentance”.

Just STFU you disgusting pedophile worshipping lover.

I think your reaction/judgement/condemnation is unwarranted.

I will invite others to read ALL of my comments on this thread within their complete context.

I find it interesting that there are some that rush to judgment and start the "troll" thingy at the drop of a hat.

I think others, if they're honest, can see it for what it is.

Baiting.

Regards,
MG