Jonathan Neville Weighs in on the “Nygren Incident”

[drumdude]

I'm a bit surprised that no one has asked Dr. Peterson about this in the "Comments" section at SeN--e.g., Dr. O'atmeal. Or perhaps someone has, but the comment was instantly censored?

What’s the point of asking that Apex Boomer anything? He’ll either deflect with some dumb-as-crap comment, or he’ll play the long-suffering aggrieved victim so he can milk back slaps from his retarded sycophants. Meh. Best to let him waddle off to his next Cruise Lady trip to some country so he can eat there and blow us away with “it was good” food reviews.

- Doc

So much this.

[Marcus]

After i posted this,

I thought it was interesting that Parker is now trying to get Neville on his side by attacking Reel. From the OP link:

In fact, “Mike Parker” (or whoever is sending me emails in his name) has already started. He emailed me, saying that “Bill Reel is a liar and a narcissist. He will say anything to harm The Church of Jesus Christ and those who advocate for the restored gospel. He is not interested in “open dialog”; he is interested in furthering his own agenda.”

This is the only comment I've seen from Zparker since the Reel podcast. If it is from Parker, it is an exceptionally inaccurate statement, and shows he has no remorse for his part in this. That's pretty chilling.

I saw this comment from Parker:

I have no problems with people who have different opinions than I do. In fact, I’ve had some very civil email conversations with Jonathan Neville this week.

https://www.nevillenevilleland.com/2023 ... s.html?m=1

So Parker considers defaming Reel behind his back to be an example of "civil conversations"?????

And here's Parker's justification for his part in the debacle:

There are some people who are evil and who are trying to destroy the Lord’s church; I normally ignore them, but I was forced to defend my actions and my reputation in this blog post.

I called them out for who they were.

Unbelievable.

[Alphus and Omegus]

What I hope to see as a result of this clown fiasco is a change among the M2C citation cartel specifically and LDS scholarship generally.

First, Dan Peterson should own up to his own complicity in accommodating and promoting the entire charade.

Second, any legitimate scholars associated with the Interpreter, Book of Mormon Central, BYU Studies, or any other publication/organization that employs, publishes, or works with this crew should seriously reconsider.

Third, LDS scholars should embrace in practice, and not just give lip service to, the basic principle set forth in the recent issue of BYU Studies, along with the “no more contention” theme of the recent General Conference.

I don't know. "Clown fiasco" and "M2C citation cartel" are not the kind of terms I would use if I were seeking to start fresh with this relationship.

Of course, it is not as though the Mopologists are going to be penitent about any of this.

My thoughts also. Calling people a "cartel" is a very contentious act.

[Marcus]

I don't know. "Clown fiasco" and "M2C citation cartel" are not the kind of terms I would use if I were seeking to start fresh with this relationship.

Of course, it is not as though the Mopologists are going to be penitent about any of this.

My thoughts also. Calling people a "cartel" is a very contentious act.

And the contentious “clown fiasco" apparently occurred to get them back for being called a cartel, as I understand the timeline. Tit for tat as a game theory strategy always ends badly.

[Alphus and Omegus]

My thoughts also. Calling people a "cartel" is a very contentious act.

And the contentious “clown fiasco" apparently occurred to get them back for being called a cartel, as I understand the timeline. Tit for tat as a game theory strategy always ends badly.

Yes.

Semi-related, I am not familiar with this term "M2C." Is it supposed to mean Mormonism 2 Cumorah?

[Marcus]

And the contentious “clown fiasco" apparently occurred to get them back for being called a cartel, as I understand the timeline. Tit for tat as a game theory strategy always ends badly.

Yes.

Semi-related, I am not familiar with this term "M2C." Is it supposed to mean Mormonism 2 Cumorah?

I’m not sure. Something about 2 hills seems right.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Yes.

Semi-related, I am not familiar with this term "M2C." Is it supposed to mean Mormonism 2 Cumorah?

I’m not sure. Something about 2 hills seems right.

https://bookofmormonevidence.org/origin-of-m2c/

“Origin of M2C (Mesoamerican 2-Cumorah Theory)”

- Doc

[Alphus and Omegus]

Thanks, I'm not sure why they feel the need for referencing Mesoamerica in that acronym. Makes me wonder if there are other 2-Cumorah theories.

[Dr. Shades]

What really cracks me up is the mopologists attacking the heartlanders because... What? Their fake evidence (still fake) is slightly less egregiously fake than the heartlander's (also) fake evidence? Unreal.

It's like if two groups of people were fighting over whether Gondor was historically focused around Greece or Panama.

The way I explained it to my girlfriend, the whole thing makes about as much sense as having a knock-down, drag-out fight over which is faster: The Starship Enterprise or the Millenium Falcon.*


*It's the Millenium Falcon, by the way.

[Rivendale]

It's like if two groups of people were fighting over whether Gondor was historically focused around Greece or Panama.

The way I explained it to my girlfriend, the whole thing makes about as much sense as having a knock-down, drag-out fight over which is faster: The Starship Enterprise or the Millenium Falcon.*


*It's the Millenium Falcon, by the way.

Except comicon is much cheaper than tithing.