DCP embarrassing himself as he continues attacking Cody, Wyoming group

[Kishkumen]

The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. The church will probably make some compromises to be a good neighbor. The rest of the furor will eventually subside. I have to hand it to the committed anti-Mormons—they really are effective at stirring up bad publicity for the LDS Church.

[Marcus]

I predict there will be now.

EAllusion came to Dr. Peter son’s defense, saying, “Yes”— he knew of at least a person or two whose wavering faith had been helped by DCP

ha, yeah, but seriously, there is a catch-22 here and I'm out of my depth making the call on this one. On the one hand, there would be bragging rights and real merit to Mopologetics if they had the equivalent of MST but for people who had their faith saved by reading FARMS.

On the other hand, someone would have to admit that critical arguments caused them to doubt. The SeN apologists would never in a million years admit that a critic ever shook their faith. They consider themselves towering intellects who see all the flaws and fallacies of critic arguments immediately.

Now maybe there's some faithful fodder out there who have been helped while not considering themselves brilliant, and aren't afraid to admit they fell for faulty reasoning. Maybe FARMS has helped some of these people?

So yeah, to Marcus' point, maybe they would announce knowledge of specific people saved by FARMS, none of the SeN folks I doubt think would take the hit and say it was them though -- at least I don't think they would. But some lower-tier nobody without a Phd without a presence at FAIR/SeN? Will be interesting to see.

Good point. Additionally, a new name unknown coincidentally showing up to just make this particular argument at this very convenient time runs the risk of having their position rightfully doubted, to say nothing of their 'identity.' Or 'socketry,' if that's the right term.

[Marcus]

From a column in the Cody Enterprise, unsurprisingly in disagreement with Peterson's take:

...Besides, all of this steps around the core issue. Opposition to the site plan has never been about the building of an LDS temple in Cody—indeed one would be welcome. It’s about the location and the indubitable fact that the site plan requires the city to make exceptions to its own zoning and its own city planning.

One thing, though, is for sure. The LDS project managers are satisfied with the P&Z vote, letting us know that they interpret it as allowing everything in the original site plan. That would include, they say, the tall tower. They are ready to break ground.

...And, why? Why must the temple pieces sitting behind YTex—ones that would have been welcome in a multitude of other locations—have to be assembled exactly where the final structure will violate both the spirit and the substance of city planning and evoke strong local opposition? I’ve been told that God chose the location so no place else will do. True? Somehow, I think God has more serious matters to contend with in this world where another bully like Vladimir Putin feels free to indiscriminately kill men, women, and children, where .... I won’t go on.

Well, one good thing may come out of this—a recognition that the city put its appointed P&Z board in a situation that should only be handled by elected officials who are responsible to the citizens. We can all be happy that city council mambers are grappling with this issue and hope they find a resolution.

To use another metaphor, such a restructuring of the P&Z process will probably end up as a case of closing the barn door after the horse thieves have been ... but not gone.
https://www.codyenterprise.com/news/opi ... jP2RHuc42o

And an interesting comment...

Has anyone recognized or investigated the real estate windfall which will be afforded the original owner of the land ‘gifted’ to LDS? He is currently selling lots off Olive Glenn Golf Course and will be selling additional homesites surrounding the Temple. This is the real reason no other site will do.

Profit off dividing our town, will be the testament to their religion. Absolutely shameful.

[Marcus]

From the same article, are there LDS members who really think this???

Eric Bennett
May 23, 2023 11:49am
Think hard before you pass up this opportunity! Not any other religious organizations pay taxes like the LDS church does....

[Kishkumen]

Wow, seriously? Someone is bragging about how the LDS Church pays taxes?

[Philo Sofee]

From the same article, are there LDS members who really think this???

Eric Bennett
May 23, 2023 11:49am
Think hard before you pass up this opportunity! Not any other religious organizations pay taxes like the LDS church does....

That has to be sarcasm.

[Kishkumen]

I’ve been told that God chose the location so no place else will do. True? Somehow, I think God has more serious matters to contend with in this world where another bully like Vladimir Putin feels free to indiscriminately kill men, women, and children, where .... I won’t go on.

Here is where this complainer loses some of my sympathy. So the Infinite Deity of the cosmos can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. Ludicrous rhetoric, unless the hot take is that God does not exist and did not tell the Mormons anything about where to locate the temple, in which case why bother to bring up God at all?

[Marcus]

Who cares whether a "complainer" has a viewpoint that is found sympathetic among the believing crowd? Bottom line here is that the LDS church wanted a variance that went against Cody's zoning and master plan. Then the LDS legal firm publicly threatened the municipality with a protracted and outrageously expensive legal fight if they objected. The immoral character of the LDS leadership is on full display.

[Kishkumen]

Who cares whether a "complainer" has a viewpoint that is found sympathetic among the believing crowd?

I guess you cared enough to huff and puff about it.

[Marcus]

Who cares whether a "complainer" has a viewpoint that is found sympathetic among the believing crowd?

I guess you cared enough to huff and puff about it.

Well no, that would be you doing the supernatural huffing and puffing:

I’ve been told that God chose the location so no place else will do. True? Somehow, I think God has more serious matters to contend with in this world where another bully like Vladimir Putin feels free to indiscriminately kill men, women, and children, where .... I won’t go on.

Here is where this complainer loses some of my sympathy. So the Infinite Deity of the cosmos can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. Ludicrous rhetoric, unless the hot take is that God does not exist and did not tell the Mormons anything about where to locate the temple, in which case why bother to bring up God at all?

My point remains the same, which is the part you failed to quote:

...Bottom line here is that the LDS church wanted a variance that went against Cody's zoning and master plan. Then the LDS legal firm publicly threatened the municipality with a protracted and outrageously expensive legal fight if they objected. The immoral character of the LDS leadership is on full display.

Going forward, please indicate using elipses when you are not quoting someone's full point.