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So, you stepped away because you disagreed with the leaders' initiatives and due to the boringness of its meetings, and NOT because it's false?Kishkumen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:09 pmI first stepped away because of Prop 8. I stopped going or taking my kids entirely because of the infamous November Policy.
Before all of this, however, I found it difficult to want to go to church because it was so terribly boring and time-consuming. It was like attending a series of business meetings that were run very poorly by people who were not competent at their jobs. All of the interminable droning on with the latest corporate jargon blather. Ugh. Not interested.
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I am happy to hear that the university had resources to help your student find emergency housing. It is totally despicable to kick your child out of the house for being LGBTQ. Despicable. The LDS Church has blood on its hands. It bears responsibility for the deaths of LGBTQ kids who took their own lives because they could not reconcile the cruel gender ideology of the LDS Church with their own firm sense of who they are. The situation is tragic.Dr. Sunstoned wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 4:30 amTHIS. November 2015 was the final straw for me. After the POX was made public, one of my LGBTQ students came into my office very distraught. His family had kicked him out of their home because of the hard stand taken by the church. That day, I contacted quitmormon and started the process. On a positive note, the university had several support programs that helped the student secure emergency housing.
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Yeah, I stepped away because the church's attacks on LGBTQ people were cruel and unacceptable. I was relieved to be free of the boring meetings.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:15 amSo, you stepped away because you disagreed with the leaders' initiatives and due to the boringness of its meetings, and NOT because it's false?
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Ahh, I see. So I guess this means you still believe in the core doctrines of Mormonism and the truthfulness of Joseph Smith's mission and calling?Kishkumen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:40 pmYeah, I stepped away because the church's attacks on LGBTQ people were cruel and unacceptable. I was relieved to be free of the boring meetings.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:15 amSo, you stepped away because you disagreed with the leaders' initiatives and due to the boringness of its meetings, and NOT because it's false?
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Shades, you and I have very different approaches to this area of life. I think it would probably be a waste of time for both of us, if I were to derail this thread in yet another attempt, in a long history of attempts, to explain my religious views to you. Moreover, you could really use some reflection on your manners.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:44 pmAhh, I see. So I guess this means you still believe in the core doctrines of Mormonism and the truthfulness of Joseph Smith's mission and calling?
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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You've made it clear that myths are good. So you still believe the myths, then, right?Kishkumen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:50 pmShades, you and I have very different approaches to this area of life. I think it would probably be a waste of time for both of us, if I were to derail this thread in yet another attempt, in a long history of attempts, to explain my religious views to you.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:44 pmAhh, I see. So I guess this means you still believe in the core doctrines of Mormonism and the truthfulness of Joseph Smith's mission and calling?
Please tell me how I should've posed the question, and I'll happily re-word.Moreover, you could really use some reflection on your manners.
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suggested re-wording:Dr. Shades wrote:Ahh, I see. So I guess this means you still believe in the core doctrines of Mormonism and the truthfulness of Joseph Smith's mission and calling
"Ahh, I see. So I guess that means you don't believe the mythical nature of the core doctrines of Mormonism and Smith's mission alone were enough of a reason to leave the Church."
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Nothing impolite with the original phraseology.Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:04 pmYou've made it clear that myths are good. So you still believe the myths, then, right?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Is there any chance this action would have given Dr. Peterson the notoriety to become a General Authority? A man of action who will defend the Church with a bowl of goulash when necessary.Rivendale wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:37 amSeveral years ago, seated at an open air café in Vienna, I found myself only a few feet away from Bill Maher. I’m not, to put it mildly, a fan of his. I don’t even think he’s particularly funny, just mildly clever and strikingly shallow And he’s been quite vicious in his mockery of my religious beliefs. But, even though I had a plate of Hungarian goulash in front of me that would obviously have looked very nice dripping from his head and even though the thought did admittedly cross my mind, I found it easy to resist the temptation, and I didn’t even say anything to him.)
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