Mormonism has finally gone too far. It happened in Fairview.

[Philo Sofee]

Mormonism has become a scourge of honest religion all together if there ever was such a reality......

What I said over on another thread.

Come in and rip a loud one as though it's meaningful. All it does is leave a stink.

Regards,
MG

That's because the religion stinks

[Philo Sofee]

Having spent a summer in that area visiting friends in the 1990s, I know a little about the goodness of the people in McKinney and Fairview. The city council and members of the community were nothing but patient, honest and generous. They received bullying, deception and rudeness in response. Shame.

Mormonism as a dictatorship has no need to worry about petty little insignificant people's feelings. It is above them and as Lords of the earth they feel they can do what they want. Darth Vader step aside, you've been replaced. Kneel and kiss that ring or pay.

[I Have Questions]

Having spent a summer in that area visiting friends in the 1990s, I know a little about the goodness of the people in McKinney and Fairview. The city council and members of the community were nothing but patient, honest and generous. They received bullying, deception and rudeness in response. Shame.

And this is why they’ve hoarded all that money, so that they can wield it against people that oppose them, no matter the legitimacy of that opposition.

[Kishkumen]

The pain of the town built on a dark skies covenant, having to endure the Las Vegas casino-like glare of the temple is sad.

I would like to see the LDS Church honor that by turning off the lights after the temple closes for the evening. I did not know this was the case.

[Kishkumen]

Having spent a summer in that area visiting friends in the 1990s, I know a little about the goodness of the people in McKinney and Fairview. The city council and members of the community were nothing but patient, honest and generous. They received bullying, deception and rudeness in response. Shame.

That is a shame. There are LDS temples without spires. They could have really won some good will by just going with a spireless plan. The idea that a spire is somehow necessary is falsified by the existence of LDS temples without them.

[Dr Moore]

Having spent a summer in that area visiting friends in the 1990s, I know a little about the goodness of the people in McKinney and Fairview. The city council and members of the community were nothing but patient, honest and generous. They received bullying, deception and rudeness in response. Shame.

That is a shame. There are LDS temples without spires. They could have really won some good will by just going with a spireless plan. The idea that a spire is somehow necessary is falsified by the existence of LDS temples without them.

As we often see, when it comes to the final analysis, the most damaging anti Mormons are the Mormons.

[slskipper]

I would like to see the LDS Church honor that by turning off the lights after the temple closes for the evening. I did not know this was the case.
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As Rebecca Bibliotheca keeps pointing out, the town council of Fairview never understood the need for lighting the edifice. They think the lights are there to assist the workers and patrons- but in actual fact the lights are there to advertise. Big, gaudy temples are big, gaudy billboards.

Everything the LDS church does is marketing. GC talks are sales pitches. Come Follow Me and the recent Holy Week things are mere corporate campaigns. Missionaries are salespeople. The temple rites change on a dime whenever the customers complain. And on and on.

We all believed them when they said they talked with God. That's what hurts.

[Kishkumen]

As we often see, when it comes to the final analysis, the most damaging anti Mormons are the Mormons.

Definitely true in this case. I do not doubt that there was a measure of bigoted resistance to the LDS temple, some of it coming from angry ex-Mos or cultivated by them, some of it coming from EV anti-Mormons and the like. But, in my view, that would become readily apparent if concessions were quickly made to the reasonable requests of the prospective neighbors of the temple. Ditch the spire. Cut the lights at night. Anyone who is left complaining after that may have another agenda. Not necessarily, but the chances that they do, when met with reasonable concessions, are much better.

[Kishkumen]

As Rebecca Bibliotheca keeps pointing out, the town council of Fairview never understood why need for lighting the edifice. They think the lights are there to assist the workers and patrons- but in actual fact the lights are there to advertise. Big, gaudy temples are big, gaudy billboards.

Everything the LDS church does is marketing. GC talks are sales pitches. Come Follow Me and the recent Holy Week things are mere corporate campaigns. Missionaries are salespeople. The temple rites change on a dime whenever the customers complain. And on and on.

We all believed them when they said they talked with God. That's what hurts.

I could see low level lights for security purposes. LDS temples are targeted by vandals. No doubt. But the LDS Church tends to want these temples to be big glowing edifices dominating the horizon. I think it is unnecessary, and if the community had a long-standing quest to keep the night sky dark, which is a good thing, the LDS Church ought to seek to conform to that quest as much as is reasonable in light of security concerns.

[Dr Moore]

As we often see, when it comes to the final analysis, the most damaging anti Mormons are the Mormons.

Definitely true in this case. I do not doubt that there was a measure of bigoted resistance to the LDS temple, some of it coming from angry ex-Mos or cultivated by them, some of it coming from EV anti-Mormons and the like. But, in my view, that would become readily apparent if concessions were quickly made to the reasonable requests of the prospective neighbors of the temple. Ditch the spire. Cut the lights at night. Anyone who is left complaining after that may have another agenda. Not necessarily, but the chances that they do, when met with reasonable concessions, are much better.

I watched all of the town halls. There were no anti Mormon sentiment, bigotry or even anti temple expressions. The complaints were all reasonable, framed within longstanding town zoning ordinances. It’s such a shame. This was literally the church coming in, lawyers blazing, under the banner of “we can buy anything with money.” The town buckled out of pure financial reality, and said as much. That will be on public record forever. In my view the big loser is the church’s image.