General Authority exhorts the LDS Church to change course on LGBTQ+ policies

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Re: General Authority exhorts the LDS Church to change course on LGBTQ+ policies

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sock puppet wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:38 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 11:57 pm
I think the Book of Mormon makes it pretty clear that "ALL are alike unto God". It takes people, even those that are religious leaders, to figure this out and/or get revelation that makes it clear that God's love "surpasses all understanding". Understanding can be a slow and tedious process. I think God works within that paradigm and forces no man/woman to change until they are curious and ready to question their own assumptions.

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MG
Whoa there, little buckaroo. That's the same Book of Mormon that
“And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity … as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.” 2 Nephi 5:21
Mormon God did not want all to be alike. But cursed a people with a marking, so others could clearly identify even the offspring of those who had been iniquitous. Making them all to be not enticing to "my people". The Book of Mormon is all about social stratifications.
I've noted elsewhere that this "not enticing" idea seems to have been a bit of a flop. Even against social norms, "mixed" couplings are far from rare.

Aside: In the west coast of Scotland, if you refer to a mixed marriage without further context, people assume (or at least assumed, 50 years ago) that one partner is Catholic and the other is Protestant. Having been raised as a Presbyterian, I caused a stir by dating a Catholic girl. Some members of my family were mightily displeased.
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Re: General Authority exhorts the LDS Church to change course on LGBTQ+ policies

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:54 pm
sock puppet wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:52 pm

Your post doesn't take into account racist Mormon God, as illustrated in spades in the very same tome.
Private interpretation that fits your agenda.

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MG
Private interpretation? No. Just based that on what supposedly Mormon God did and said as set forth in the text of the Book of Mormon that I quoted. Then there's that gem from August 1947.
"The attitude of the Church with reference to negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: 'Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we are now entitled to.'

"President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: 'The Day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have. '

"The position of the Church regarding the negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the pre-mort~ existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality' and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the principle itself indicates that the coming to this earth and taking on mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintained their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood, is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the negroes. "
First Presidency Statement signed by George Albert Smith, J. Reuben Clark and David O. McKay.

By any reasonable assessment, Mormon God has a rich and storied history of being a racist.

by the way, MG 2.0, thank you for giving me another home run pitch to use this bat once again, so that all the newer readers here get a chance to see how immoral Mormon God really is.
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Re: General Authority exhorts the LDS Church to change course on LGBTQ+ policies

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malkie wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:56 pm
sock puppet wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:38 pm

Whoa there, little buckaroo. That's the same Book of Mormon that

Mormon God did not want all to be alike. But cursed a people with a marking, so others could clearly identify even the offspring of those who had been iniquitous. Making them all to be not enticing to "my people". The Book of Mormon is all about social stratifications.
I've noted elsewhere that this "not enticing" idea seems to have been a bit of a flop. Even against social norms, "mixed" couplings are far from rare.

Aside: In the west coast of Scotland, if you refer to a mixed marriage without further context, people assume (or at least assumed, 50 years ago) that one partner is Catholic and the other is Protestant. Having been raised as a Presbyterian, I caused a stir by dating a Catholic girl. Some members of my family were mightily displeased.
Ask males among Mormon God's favored people ("my people", the whites, those not cursed with dark skin) and see how few of them think darker skinned females are thereby not enticing. This one is a major face-in-palm failure by Mormon God.
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