Church membership numbers not good.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I think I’m going to move out and let it go back to its original flow unless I’m forced to come back in here.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I think I’m going to move out and let it go back to its original flow unless I’m forced to come back in here.

Regards,
MG

Wang Chung, while I have you here…you never answered me when I challenged this assertion and diatribe you posted:

I know MG in real life. He's as douchey in real life as he is online. I know that our poster Jenn Kamp Williams thinks MG is okay in real life, but Jenn Kamp Williams is just like Will Rogers when it comes to people.

I called you out as I liar. To set the record clear, I still believe you are. Unless, of course, you would like to PM me and set the record straight. I know that in a world of moral relativism this may not even matter to many folks here or to you. Be that as it may, I’d still be interested, even at this late date, why you wrote this scurrilous post?

You actually disappeared for a while after this incident.

To my knowledge I do not know you in real life. Nor do I think I would want to.

Why did you even say this?

Regards,
MG

[dastardly stem]

Believing in God is espousing a fatalistic point of view--it's determined mankind will die out when God decides, no? And you, as a believer, expressed hope for that impending destruction.

No.

Ok. I'm presuming you do think Human mortals will die out when God decides, which I'd call fatalistic. But you're "no" means to suggest you didn't express hope for that time when Jesus comes and most mortals? Your hope was for Jesus coming but not for the death and destruction he fatalistically is supposed to bring?

Three other notes of interest (perhaps).

1. You, perhaps without realizing it, compared man in the singular vs women in the plural--perhaps a sign of your hope for future polygamy. Sounds fatalistic, actually.

No intentional meaning there. No hope for future polygamy. No fatalism.

Great. Fine. I won't belabor the point. It was really only meant as an aside anyway.

2. If there was a sensible reason to believe the "eternal nature and progression of man/women" you'd have some sort of point. But there is no reason other than a selfish hope, or what I'd characterize as a selfish hope. And that's, of course, a bad reason.

No selfish hope on my part except I the hope of a life after death and progression and happiness. What that will entail in detail, I don’t know. I have a hope it will include family and those I love.

What you call not selfish I may just call selfish. That may be...and it may be what I perceive as selfishness is not. I can't really tell. but the main point is, of course, you haven't supplied good reason for your assumption that there is an "eternal nature and progression of man/women". I was looking for a reason to think what you believe is anything more than your assumption or desire.

3. Since your theology suggests many if not most of humanity will not have eternal progression, then the progression is for but a few, relatively speaking. You may delight in the hope you'll have aplenty while most are left wanting, but that which you hope for sounds like a different kind of hell for me

I think everyone, almost everyone, will have opportunity to progress and find joy.

Ok. Another point of disagreement with Mormon theology or has something changed as per the leaders giving new revelation?

I don’t find your three points brought up ‘out of the blue’ to be relevant to the conversation. They are, all three, focused on negativity and incomplete understanding of the afterlife for all of God’s children.

So I answered in the negative on all counts.

I just didn’t find this ‘out of the blue’ line of points/questions…germane/useful…in regards to what I was saying. You wanted to ‘go there’, I didn’t see any point.

A sidetrack.

They weren’t points of interest to me. Thus, the short attention span I originally gave them.

Simply, I disagree that belief in God results in a life and/or future life of fatalism or selfish negativism. Judgement of some kind?

Yes.

A loving God will…and has…designed a plan for happiness, not fatalism. We will all be and get what we want/deserve.

You’ve forgotten your Book of Mormon.

Regards,
MG

I'm happy to leave you to your opinion. Just interested in what you were saying. I thought it was you who offered teh side-track...afterall this thread was about Church growth. I was simply following your distraction, I thought. But no harm nor foul in my mind. Have a good one.

[MG 2.0]

I'm happy to leave you to your opinion. Just interested in what you were saying. I thought it was you who offered teh side-track...afterall this thread was about Church growth. I was simply following your distraction, I thought. But no harm nor foul in my mind. Have a good one.

I think I may have side tracked the thread with my comments concerning the high rate at which temples are being announced, prepared for construction, and built. That, in my opinion, this is an indicator of church growth and health where it really counts. That is, in the lives of those that hold on to the iron rod and move forward in faith.

There were some that didn’t agree and then…well, you know.

You have a good day/week also.

Regards,
MG

[¥akaSteelhead]

More mostly empty temples serving at a fraction of their capacity, where empty works are performed for dead folks - but which serve to convince the members they are engaged in charitable work.


Meh. It is a smoke and mirror show for the members. Look how fast we are building temples.... weeeeeeee.

[MG 2.0]

More mostly empty temples serving at a fraction of their capacity, where empty works are performed for dead folks - but which serve to convince the members they are engaged in charitable work.


Meh. It is a smoke and mirror show for the members. Look how fast we are building temples.... weeeeeeee.

Your answer demonstrates a lack of understanding about what temples are.

Have you ever been a member of the church and been through the temple to do your own ordinances? If so, you would probably have a better understanding of why Latter Day Saints see the temple as a House of the Lord.

And why the number of temples on the docket and being built represent spiritual growth and vitality of members throughout the world.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Wang Chung, while I have you here…you never answered me when I challenged this assertion and diatribe you posted:

I know MG in real life. He's as douchey in real life as he is online. I know that our poster Jenn Kamp Williams thinks MG is okay in real life, but Jenn Kamp Williams is just like Will Rogers when it comes to people.

I called you out as I liar. To set the record clear, I still believe you are. Unless, of course, you would like to PM me and set the record straight. I know that in a world of moral relativism this may not even matter to many folks here or to you. Be that as it may, I’d still be interested, even at this late date, why you wrote this scurrilous post?

You actually disappeared for a while after this incident.

To my knowledge I do not know you in real life. Nor do I think I would want to.

Why did you even say this?

Regards,
MG

*bump
Looks like Wang Chung and his memes disappeared for some reason. Maybe he’ll show up…
Is Wang Chung Richard Simmons?

[¥akaSteelhead]

More mostly empty temples serving at a fraction of their capacity, where empty works are performed for dead folks - but which serve to convince the members they are engaged in charitable work.


Meh. It is a smoke and mirror show for the members. Look how fast we are building temples.... weeeeeeee.

Your answer demonstrates a lack of understanding about what temples are.

Have you ever been a member of the church and been through the temple to do your own ordinances? If so, you would probably have a better understanding of why Latter Day Saints see the temple as a House of the Lord.

And why the number of temples on the docket and being built represent spiritual growth and vitality of members throughout the world.

Regards,
MG

Endowed member here. Still on the records. I understand perfectly well what the temples are. A mechanism to bind the members tighter to the church through swearing oaths, while getting the feels "cuz we are doing it for the dead".

"Let the dead bury the dead"

[MG 2.0]

Your answer demonstrates a lack of understanding about what temples are.

Have you ever been a member of the church and been through the temple to do your own ordinances? If so, you would probably have a better understanding of why Latter Day Saints see the temple as a House of the Lord.

And why the number of temples on the docket and being built represent spiritual growth and vitality of members throughout the world.

Regards,
MG

Endowed member here. Still on the records. I understand perfectly well what the temples are. A mechanism to bind the members tighter to the church through swearing oaths, while getting the feels "cuz we are doing it for the dead".

"Let the dead bury the dead"

Do you have faith in and/or a hope in life beyond the grave?

Regards,
MG

[¥akaSteelhead]

None at all.

Do you have faith in and/or a hope in the easter bunny bringing you treats this weekend?