for what it's worth I think Ceeboo and MG have a difficult time participating here in complete harmony on such a predominantly progressive board, and I appreciate how civil they are since they’re massively outnumbered.
I really enjoy the discussions here when everyone remains civil and threads don’t devolve into name calling or straw man attacks.
A lot of these topics are very personal and can easily cause misunderstanding and elevated emotional responses.
Unfortunately, being human, I slip now and then and can be abrasive and not as empathetic to the feelings of others as I might be.
Overall, drumdude, I appreciate your civil behavior towards others here that may not be in agreement with your views concerning the church.
Regards,
MG
I’m of the opinion that nothing would kill this board faster than it being an echo chamber. In order to have interesting discussions we need to come from different perspectives.
For me personally, what helps is letting go of the desire to win an argument, and begin to just listen to the other person and absorb what they’re saying. It’s hard to do when we are talking about really deeply held core beliefs. But it’s enlightening, for me anyway.
I often fail at this and end up arguing a position way past the point where it’s necessary. If I start to feel myself getting too worked up, I just take a break. Then I can see us all as friends again and not opponents on different teams.
For what it’s worth I expressed my thoughts on this earlier in saying that a liberal Mormon is one that exercises liberality towards those that they may not agree with. I look at it as a free will issue as I mentioned upthread.
I don’t think that a ‘liberal Mormon’, by definition, means someone who doesn’t believe in the core doctrines of the church and wants to change the church through activism.
The folks I listed upthread were not out there demanding change. They respected the callings and responsibilities of the general leadership to make final decisions.
Unfortunately, being human, I slip now and then and can be abrasive and not as empathetic to the feelings of others as I might be.
Overall, drumdude, I appreciate your civil behavior towards others here that may not be in agreement with your views concerning the church.
Regards,
MG
I’m of the opinion that nothing would kill this board faster than it being an echo chamber. In order to have interesting discussions we need to come from different perspectives.
For me personally, what helps is letting go of the desire to win an argument, and begin to just listen to the other person and absorb what they’re saying. It’s hard to do when we are talking about really deeply held core beliefs. But it’s enlightening, for me anyway.
I often fail at this and end up arguing a position way past the point where it’s necessary. If I start to feel myself getting too worked up, I just take a break. Then I can see us all as friends again and not opponents on different teams.
Total agreement. Where do I sign?
I often fail and can do better also. Shake hands?
Personal attacks in calling other people trolls is not useful/productive. If someone truly believes someone is trolling or inaccurately accusing someone else of being a troll then it should simply be reported through the reporting system to the moderators. I’ve done this recently.
for what it's worth I think Ceeboo and MG have a difficult time participating here in complete harmony on such a predominantly progressive board, and I appreciate how civil they are since they’re massively outnumbered.
I really enjoy the discussions here when everyone remains civil and threads don’t devolve into name calling or straw man attacks.
A lot of these topics are very personal and can easily cause misunderstanding and elevated emotional responses.
I agree. Please, let’s avoid resorting to personal attacks. Having an opposing or unpopular opinion does not necessarily indicate that someone is a troll.
for what it's worth I think Ceeboo and MG have a difficult time participating here in complete harmony on such a predominantly progressive board, and I appreciate how civil they are since they’re massively outnumbered.
I really enjoy the discussions here when everyone remains civil and threads don’t devolve into name calling or straw man attacks.
A lot of these topics are very personal and can easily cause misunderstanding and elevated emotional responses.
Yes, good points. I would agree that one can appreciate how civil certain persons are in the face of their circumstances, while at the same time noting that they are frequently not civil at all.
For what it’s worth I expressed my thoughts on this earlier in saying that a liberal Mormon is one that exercises liberality towards those that they may not agree with
Do you think the Church leaders are liberal believers? Do they exercise liberality towards those that they may not agree with?
If they don't, then would you agree that liberal believers are out of step with their leaders?
Social distancing has likely already begun to flatten the curve...Continue to research good antivirals and vaccine candidates. Make everyone wear masks. -- J.D. Vance
IHQ:
1. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. 2. The best evidence for The Book of Mormon is eye witness testimony, therefore… 3.The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is a type of evidence that is notoriously unreliable.
4. More than one eye witness increases likelihood that testimony is true if the testimony is corroborated by the other witnesses. More so than if the testimony relies on one eyewitness. Over time if the corroboration remains intact the testimony becomes even more reliable.
At least that’s the way I see it in this instance of the three Book of Mormon witnesses.
