Church membership numbers not good.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

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And this is a black man.

Were you even aware of this story?

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

Yeah, like that’s worked out real well. The only real solution is the gospel of Jesus Christ and obedience to His commandments. Especially the two great commandments.

The gospel also teaches us to be good stewards over the world/planet.

Throughout history the majority of folks have either ignored or rebelled against the fullness of the gospel. Sadly, this is also true even in our day and time.

Good luck saving the world, Chap.

The crap may hit the fan within our lifetime. The great reset is already in motion. It will take a large groundswell of folks at this point in time to turn things around.

I doubt you’ll be part of that groundswell. Everything is hunky dory and we’re doing an awesome job solving humanities problems on our own without God, aren’t we?

Regards,
MG

As I said earlier, jeremiad.

[MG 2.0]

Agreed.



Do you see any one or more of the labels of organizations/institutions/groups in this picture as being part of ‘wokeness’? Besides Liberty, of course.

If not, we’ll simply have to agree to disagree.

By the way, in reference to the ‘Democratic Party’ label, I’m referring to today’s Democratic Party, not the party of Tip O’Neill that we grew up with.

This thread is going way off track. Some have already complained. I think I’m going to move out and let it go back to its original flow unless I’m forced to come back in here.

Ha ha.

Regards,
MG

As a representative of the Church, you make the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints look pretty bad. Personally, I don’t think membership statistics prove much in the way of the Church being in decline— but this kind of crap sure does. The active members I know and love would be horrified.

And virtue signaling doesn’t make your argument, whatever it is…you didn’t say, any stronger.

From where I sit I think/know there are many members of the church and other Christians who would agree that BLM(think corrupt folks at the top), Democratic Socialists (think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders), Antifa (need I say more?), Marxists, and elements of Big Tech, Academia, Media, and Popular Culture that are a danger to the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country.

Your portrayal of me as being somehow out of the mainstream of most of America in believing Christianity and traditional values are under attack is a false caricature made in order to somehow make your secular humanist positions look attractive or viable as the means to make and keep our nation the greatest country on earth.

My guess is that you may no longer believe this to be true. If I’m wrong, let me know and I’ll take that statement back.

Notice that a while back I agreed with Huckleberry. Certain things need to always demand our vigilance. Women’s rights, opportunities for all people to succeed, etc. But there are folks that are demanding things that mainstream America doesn’t want (for example the elimination of the right to bear arms and;or dismantling/hobbling the 2nd Amendment). Those are the folks I’m describing as ‘woke’.

Are you woke? And what does that mean to you if this describes you?

If you would like to start another thread to continue your thoughts, feel free to do so.

Your response demanded a response.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Yeah, like that’s worked out real well. The only real solution is the gospel of Jesus Christ and obedience to His commandments. Especially the two great commandments.

The gospel also teaches us to be good stewards over the world/planet.

Throughout history the majority of folks have either ignored or rebelled against the fullness of the gospel. Sadly, this is also true even in our day and time.

Good luck saving the world, Chap.

The crap may hit the fan within our lifetime. The great reset is already in motion. It will take a large groundswell of folks at this point in time to turn things around.

I doubt you’ll be part of that groundswell. Everything is hunky dory and we’re doing an awesome job solving humanities problems on our own without God, aren’t we?

Regards,
MG

As I said earlier, jeremiad.

No, I don’t think so. Free expression of ideas. You would prefer that I am ‘canceled’.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Wang Chung, while I have you here…you never answered me when I challenged this assertion and diatribe you posted:

I know MG in real life. He's as douchey in real life as he is online. I know that our poster Jenn Kamp Williams thinks MG is okay in real life, but Jenn Kamp Williams is just like Will Rogers when it comes to people.

I called you out as I liar. To set the record clear, I still believe you are. Unless, of course, you would like to PM me and set the record straight. I know that in a world of moral relativism this may not even matter to many folks here or to you. Be that as it may, I’d still be interested, even at this late date, why you wrote this scurrilous post?

You actually disappeared for a while after this incident.

To my knowledge I do not know you in real life. Nor do I think I would want to.

Why did you even say this?

Regards,
MG

It is interesting, to say the least, that others have not called you out on this. Either earlier or now.

Apparently lying is acceptable and not worthy of reproach. What does that say about some folks on this board?

No spine? Lying about other things is OK?

Your posts/memes demanded a response. I think I am now done with you. I have no respect, whatsoever, for you and the way you’ve responded to having been caught in a lie.

Carry on with your childish and immature responses by posting memes rather than substance.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

As a representative of the Church, you make the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints look pretty bad. Personally, I don’t think membership statistics prove much in the way of the Church being in decline— but this kind of crap sure does. The active members I know and love would be horrified.

And virtue signaling doesn’t make your argument, whatever it is…you didn’t say, any stronger.

From where I sit I think/know there are many members of the church and other Christians who would agree that BLM(think corrupt folks at the top), Democratic Socialists (think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders), Antifa (need I say more?), Marxists, and elements of Big Tech, Academia, Media, and Popular Culture that are a danger to the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country.

Your portrayal of me as being somehow out of the mainstream of most of America in believing Christianity and traditional values are under attack is a false caricature made in order to somehow make your secular humanist positions look attractive or viable as the means to make and keep our nation the greatest country on earth.

My guess is that you may no longer believe this to be true. If I’m wrong, let me know and I’ll take that statement back.

Notice that a while back I agreed with Huckleberry. Certain things need to always demand our vigilance. Women’s rights, opportunities for all people to succeed, etc. But there are folks that are demanding things that mainstream America doesn’t want (for example the elimination of the right to bear arms and;or dismantling/hobbling the 2nd Amendment). Those are the folks I’m describing as ‘woke’.

Are you woke? And what does that mean to you if this describes you?

If you would like to start another thread to continue your thoughts, feel free to do so.

Your response demanded a response.

Regards,
MG

Wow. This part, especially, is completely inaccurate.

Your portrayal of me as being somehow out of the mainstream of most of America in believing Christianity and traditional values are under attack is a false caricature made in order to somehow make your secular humanist positions look attractive or viable as the means to make and keep our nation the greatest country on earth.

Morley didn’t “portray” you that way, and Huckelberry wasn’t on board with your nonsense either. Morley said:

As a representative of the Church, you make the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints look pretty bad. Personally, I don’t think membership statistics prove much in the way of the Church being in decline— but this kind of crap sure does. The active members I know and love would be horrified.

Your jeremiad was exactly that.

[canpakes]

From where I sit I think/know there are many members of the church and other Christians who would agree that BLM(think corrupt folks at the top), Democratic Socialists (think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders), Antifa (need I say more?), Marxists, and elements of Big Tech, Academia, Media, and Popular Culture that are a danger to the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country.

MG, the figure being burned at the stake within your posted image is not labeled, ‘the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country’.

[Marcus]

I know MG in real life. He's as douchey in real life as he is online. I know that our poster Jenn Kamp Williams thinks MG is okay in real life, but Jenn Kamp Williams is just like Will Rogers when it comes to people.

I called you out as I liar. To set the record clear, I still believe you are.

You don’t know who this anonymous person is, so there is no way you can know whether they know you or not.

You have no grounds to call them a liar. You may not agree, but they are simply expressing their opinion of you.

[Marcus]

From where I sit I think/know there are many members of the church and other Christians who would agree that BLM(think corrupt folks at the top), Democratic Socialists (think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders), Antifa (need I say more?), Marxists, and elements of Big Tech, Academia, Media, and Popular Culture that are a danger to the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country.

MG, the figure being burned at the stake within your posted image is not labeled, ‘the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country’.

Nor do the labels read “elements of” various things.

[malkie]

From where I sit I think/know there are many members of the church and other Christians who would agree that BLM(think corrupt folks at the top), Democratic Socialists (think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders), Antifa (need I say more?), Marxists, and elements of Big Tech, Academia, Media, and Popular Culture that are a danger to the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country.

MG, the figure being burned at the stake within your posted image is not labeled, ‘the Judaeo-Christian roots of our country’.

Wait - which country are we talking about here?

I assume that most people probably are thinking the US - right. Regardless of the lip service paid to the international nature of the LDS church, it's still largely a US institution, and absent any other explicit mention, "our country" on this board is the US.

So is it generally accepted - undisputed - that the US has Judaeo-Christian roots, and that these roots are inappropriately endangered by, for example, people who resist fascism, and people who espouse the idea that we look out for each other, rather than the laws being bent to the advantage of the rich and powerful?