You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

[Shulem]

Watch what happens now.

Rinse and repeat.

MG is a coward.

YOU can't fool Shulem. I am above all that.

I interpreted your intentions as a jab at the board or, worse, a drive by shooting to satisfy your personal needs to commit an offence. You couldn't resist the temptation by which you are tempted.

Anyway, what's the king's name? That would be something new for you discuss here. Or tell us about your feelings of the chiseled face on the lead plate.

Tell us what you think of this:

[Shulem]

Shulem,
Buddy. Way back when I made a comment on your recurring fixation on Anubis.

This thread has again shown that exmormons go crazy when they have their fears stoked.

Lurkers, beware. Is this where you want to end up?

Literally? On a board with a bunch of disgruntled exmormons ru(i)nning the show?

Feeding frenzy. Buyer beware.

Regards,
MG

Keep talking. Say more.

Come on.

Step across the line...

[Marcus]

Shulem,
Buddy. Way back when I made a comment on your recurring fixation on Anubis.

This thread has again shown that exmormons go crazy when they have their fears stoked.

Lurkers, beware. Is this where you want to end up?

Literally? On a board with a bunch of disgruntled exmormons ru(i)nning the show?

Feeding frenzy. Buyer beware.

Regards,
MG

Keep talking. Say more.

Come on.

Step across the line...

He's been crossing that line for decades, but I suspect you know that.

Here's one from 2007:

The PP's, Scratch's, Bond's, Shades of this board have issues because they have not been able to move beyond a primary/seminary outlook towards the world and the church. They will say they have, but I honestly don't believe this to be the case. They are black/white thinkers...if you can call it thinking. They grew up literally thinking that all the thinking that ever had to be thunk had been done by someone other than themselves. They are very simplistic and naïve in their outlook towards what and who God is and how he may or may not operate in the universe. If he doesn't conform to their image, then he doesn't exist. They are ready and happy to jump on the secular bandwagon without the least provocation. They will say otherwise and call those such as myself a fool for even alluding to the possibility that this may be the case, but nonetheless, it is not unreasonable to come to the conclusion that they are the ones that have been duped and deluded into thinking "inside the box" of skepticism and doubt, to the exclusion of other possibilities.

To find out that Mormonism was not simply what they larned in primary/seminary and reading the New Era or Ensign threw them for a loop from which they never were able to extricate themselves and recover. Thus, we find them and others like them supposedly "recovering" over at the RFM board or here.

viewtopic.php?p=1543139#p1543139

Wow. I don't recall statements like that qualifying as missionary work, do you? (Although I did see a ring video today of a missionary spitting on someone's doorstep. Maybe that's a relative.)

Everybody Wang Chung alluded to Runtu knowing MG, which is not surprising, given that this was his response 18 years ago to the above:

I thought it was fairly clear and very much one of the standard answers I hear from church members. This is a variation on the "you just didn't get it" theme. Apparently, those who find that the church's serious problems of history and practice disqualify it as a "true church" are guilty of black and white thinking and haven't graduated past a seminary-level understand. Those enlightened people who look past the problems, however, are the ones who find peace.

Forgive me for finding this more than a bit condescending.

[IWMP]

I don't believe Mormonism and Joseph Smith's account to be even close to the truth. But I do believe that there is so much about the universe that is mysterious and magical to consider that there are mysteries far beyond our physical ability to experience so that doubt alone means that I personally can't outright say there is no God.

We can't even see much of the visible light that our equipment can detect, there are creatures that can see things we can't. If we are limited even on this earth with something that is relatively easy to understand then we are definitely limited in what we experience that is possible.

[Marcus]

I don't believe Mormonism and Joseph Smith's account to be even close to the truth. But I do believe that there is so much about the universe that is mysterious and magical to consider that there are mysteries far beyond our physical ability to experience so that doubt alone means that I personally can't outright say there is no God.

We can't even see much of the visible light that our equipment can detect, there are creatures that can see things we can't. If we are limited even on this earth with something that is relatively easy to understand then we are definitely limited in what we experience that is possible.

Maybe you accidently posted this in the wrong thread?

[Gadianton]

Wow, what a blast from the past with that old post by MG. The funny thing is that Shades has never been an atheist (just agnostic) nor has Scratch ever been an atheist. Shades has been a theist for many years. Scratch has never indicated that he isn't a believing Mormon at some level. I've always understood him to be a nuanced believer.

It would appear that MG's own black and white thinking couldn't accept the possibility that someone who denies his favorite sub-sect of Brighamite Mormonism could believe in God of any kind.

[Shulem]

Jun 04, 2007

Book of Abraham hits that Joseph Smith did get right. The Kerry Shirt's research/DVD's, Sunstone presentions have been helpful here. I haven't seen anyone successfully accomplish a one-two knockout of the stuff he's come up with or some of the stuff over at FARMS that deals with Book of Abraham issues.

Wake up and smell the coffee, dummy!

• “King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head”
• Anubis in Facsimile No. 3 and Mormon Deception
• Historical Predynastic Egypt vs. Book of Abraham False Narrative

Kerry debunks Kerry thanks to Paul.

• Backyard Professor: 048: The Incredible Book of Abraham Scholarship of Paul Osborne
• Backyard Professor: 051: BofAbr Facsimiles Explained by Paul Osborne: Refuting LDS Apologists

Dear lurkers, please clicks the links. Learn how the Book of Abraham has been thoroughly debunked and utterly destroyed. There isn't a damn thing MG can do about it except to lie and make more crap up.

[MG 2.0]

wow, what a blast from the past with that old post by MG. The funny thing is that Shades has never been an atheist (just agnostic) nor has Scratch ever been an atheist. Shades has been a theist for many years. Scratch has never indicated that he isn't a believing Mormon at some level. I've always understood him to be a nuanced believer.

It would appear that MG's own black and white thinking couldn't accept the possibility that someone who denies his favorite sub-sect of Brighamite Mormonism could believe in God of any kind.

Joseph Smith’s First Vision in 1820 immediately clarified misunderstandings about the nature of the Godhead as well as the person of God the Father:

• God the Father is a distinct personage, separate from the Lord Jesus Christ.
• God the Father looks like a man, as does His Son—who is our Savior.
• God the Father can speak and move.
• God the Father knows individuals by name.
• God the Father hears and answers prayers.
• God the Father bears witness of His Son.
• Satan and his power are real, but God’s power is greater.

It is easy to see why President Ezra Taft Benson said:

The appearance of God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ to the boy prophet [Joseph Smith] is the greatest event that has occurred in this world since the resurrection of the Master. [Ezra Taft Benson, “Life Is Eternal,” Ensign, June 1971, 34]

https://speeches.BYU.edu/talks/andrew-c ... perplexity

I will not fault those that do not have a belief in a higher power. If you've read my writings over time you know this is true. Unfortunately "nuanced views" may not be enough to have a firm testimony of God the Father. And the restoration.

Yes, that quote given a few posts ago was a 'blast from the past'!

The above link to Andrew Skinner's remarks/speech does a good job of placing the importance of correct God belief in keeping the faith and the vessel (church) pure.

When a person such as myself comes to a place such as this and stands up for simple belief in the Fatherhood of God it creates no small stir in some quarters of this board.

As it is, I am fine with whatever beliefs or non beliefs others have...just let the believers believe.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

...When a person such as myself comes to a place such as this and stands up for simple belief in the Fatherhood of God it creates no small stir in some quarters of this board.

As it is, I am fine with whatever beliefs or non beliefs others have...just let the believers believe...

So, you thought this was you coming here and being "fine with whatever beliefs or non beliefs others have" ?

Not much new to shout about, huh?

Same stuff. Criticize the leaders. Money issues. Book of Mormon historicity. Purported organizational missteps. Accusations of dishonesty and evil doing. Dissing Christianity as a whole. Oh yeah, Dr. Peterson too.

Etc.

If you folks were to be paid for your work here it would be a fairly healthy second income.

And you wouldn't have to pay tithing!

Step outside and breathe. Hug a child. Serve a neighbor. Take a drive. Read a good book. Have a real life conversation. Get off the dang keyboard!

And you think this is you standing up for "simple belief" ?

I was going to hop in and add my two cents on a thread or two, but then I thought...why...

Your attempts to reframe your bad behavior at the end of a thread are as predictable as your bad behavior everywhere else. It's hard to imagine that even you believe your lies about your posts, and certainly no one else does. Not even the lurkers you are (in theory) proselytizing.

...just let the believers believe...

Who's stopping you? Do you believe that when other people express their opinions in a location away from your homebase, it impedes your ability to believe? That's sounds like the isolation and control of expression a cult would impose. Are you upset that you can't impose the limitations you feel onto others?

I'm probably thinking too deeply. The simplest explanation is that you feel impelled to troll because of your personality, and this is one of the few places where you can get away with it. The religious aspect is just a convenience.

[MG 2.0]

...When a person such as myself comes to a place such as this and stands up for simple belief in the Fatherhood of God it creates no small stir in some quarters of this board.

As it is, I am fine with whatever beliefs or non beliefs others have...just let the believers believe...

So, you thought this was you coming here and being "fine with whatever beliefs or non beliefs others have" ?

Not much new to shout about, huh?

Same stuff. Criticize the leaders. Money issues. Book of Mormon historicity. Purported organizational missteps. Accusations of dishonesty and evil doing. Dissing Christianity as a whole. Oh yeah, Dr. Peterson too.

Etc.

If you folks were to be paid for your work here it would be a fairly healthy second income.

And you wouldn't have to pay tithing!

Step outside and breathe. Hug a child. Serve a neighbor. Take a drive. Read a good book. Have a real life conversation. Get off the dang keyboard!

And you think this is you standing up for "simple belief" ?

I was going to hop in and add my two cents on a thread or two, but then I thought...why...

Your attempts to reframe your bad behavior at the end of a thread are as predictable as your bad behavior everywhere else. It's hard to imagine that even you believe your lies about your posts, and certainly no one else does. Not even the lurkers you are (in theory) proselytizing.

As I said in my last post, "I will not fault those that do not have a belief in a higher power."

What I do find fault with, however, is those that that troll believers time after time and essentially waste everyone else's time.

That was the point made in my OP.

And now you're doing your reformulating routine in bringing back past posts (which I don't mind at all) and building mountains out of molehills (now here I am rehashing what I've said many times).

Why don't you let it go, Marcus? Why do you spend so much time defending you lack of belief?

Why is that worth defending? I'm not questioning your right to be here. My OP stands. And here we are rehash, upon rehash, upon reshash.

Let believers state their beliefs and opinions. That's all I'm doing.

Hey, here's an idea...why don't you spend the same amount of time (or more) sharing your beliefs rather than degrading the beliefs of others?

Regards,
MG