John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

[_Rosebud]

I'll let Rosebud do what she will, as that's her call. The context changes how one would perceive her posts here.

Again, you avoid addressing the point I raised, excusing bad behavior of at least a few males here by dancing around my point. How about sticking with that for a moment - was it bad or not? Do you not detect the misogyny I'm saying pops up at least a few times on this thread? Or are Rosebud's offenses (as you interpret them) more than enough excuse for devolved communication? Is that the ethical standard you subscribe to overall? Is that how you raised your kids? Is there no responsibility to counter bad speech ethically? Is that the overall tenor of this joint? I had understood that actual dialogue happened here.

Guys, again, I'm no lefty. I hate the fundamental dishonesty behind most political correctness. But as a white male, I have learned about both white privilege and male privilege, and neither does us white males any favors. If you didn't see that happening, regardless of where you land re certain players here, then I don't know what else I can say to help you see it, even if you don't like the implications of it.

Hank, one of the things that this whole experience with mormonstories has inspired from me is the CTW Coalition and this document about ethical communication and conflict resolution (below). I learned so much trying to communicate with mormonstories to resolve this conflict in a way I hoped wouldn't hurt me, him, his family, the Open Stories Foundation, the donors or progressive Mormons. He would have nothing of win-win conflict resolution and preferred to use his power against me in any way he could and tear down the beautiful business I had built and that I felt progressive Mormons relied on.

Applying the lessons I learned has been great for me and I'm excited about using some them to help solve some of the bigger problems Mormons are facing. Maybe I'm just trying to turn lemons into lemonade, idk. Or, maybe there's something here that progressive Mormons can take forward. I guess we'll see.

http://circlingthewagons.org/standards- ... on-mormon/

EDITED because I messed up the quotes. Hopefully this is somewhat correct.

[_Ceeboo]

Hank!

Welcome to the board!
It is always a real treat and value to have new MDB members share their perspective/views/opinions with the community.

If I may - don't judge the MDB too quickly. Look around, take your time, make yourself comfy, take your shoes off, spend a few minutes checking out the MDB BBQ contests.

in my opinion, this board is loaded with members who are pretty witty, fantastically funny, brilliant, wise and simply interesting people.

Anyway, welcome again - I look forward to reading some of your future contributions.

(Rosebud - Thank you for the reply - Appreciated!)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Rosebud]

Rosebud:
~you linked her to the Fatal Attraction trailer to point out that you feel she's too much like a fictional character who stalked someone and tried to kill him. Note how nobody has likened JD to the adulterous male in that same movie.

No, Rose just thanked someone for the Glenn Close remarks. She had taken them as a complement and had obviously missed the context. Her following responses brought back memories of Nick the white faced Mormon.


There appears to be some serious issues here, and I'm backing out of this based on this observation.

I actually haven't seen the Glenn Close part of the thread.

[_Symmachus]

Rosebud,

Does it undermine male privilege to grant instant credibility to any allegation whatsoever that is made by someone anonymously on the internet? No one has said that men's livelihood are sacrosanct, certainly not me, so you'll have to fight that fight with someone who has. You came onto this thread insinuating (and repeating) that MormonStories has broken the law and/or violated professional ethics, but you don't provide any evidence. And you have threatened to release a document detailing evidence of MormonStories's immoralities and/or crimes--unless he takes "one or two more chances to straighten himself out" (what exactly does that mean?). If you can't or won't reveal any details whatsoever about the situation or even who you are, why would you expect anyone to take it seriously? What's the point of making the insinuations?

To some of us who have had mostly positive encounters with MormonStories and haven't the slightest idea what your grievance is and don't instantly and unquestioningly grant credibility to the anonymous lurking on the internet, what you're attempting looks like blackmail.

And in any case, if you have evidence that some professional and/or legal boundary has been crossed, it seems to me the ethical thing to do would be to report it immediately rather wait until MormonStories has satisfied some arbitrary threshold of absolution that you have taken upon yourself alone (it seems) to determine. That would be too serious an issue, I should think, to bandy about anonymously on the internet like just another of internet Mormonism's many October Surprises.

[_hank rearden]

Hank!

Welcome to the board!
It is always a real treat and value to have new MDB members share their perspective/views/opinions with the community.

If I may - don't judge the MDB too quickly. Look around, take your time, make yourself comfy, take your shoes off, spend a few minutes checking out the MDB BBQ contests.

in my opinion, this board is loaded with members who are pretty witty, fantastically funny, brilliant, wise and simply interesting people.

Anyway, welcome again - I look forward to reading some of your future contributions.

(Rosebud - Thank you for the reply - Appreciated!)

Peace,
Ceeboo

Thanks, Ceebo. I'll see if this is the right fit for me or not. I've got several friends here, and I have sometimes questioned their wisdom in engaging here. Seems that the light/heat ratio can run akimbo at times, but I suppose that can be true of our species all too regularly.

[_Equality]

Hank!

Welcome to the board!
It is always a real treat and value to have new MDB members share their perspective/views/opinions with the community.

If I may - don't judge the MDB too quickly. Look around, take your time, make yourself comfy, take your shoes off, spend a few minutes checking out the MDB BBQ contests.

in my opinion, this board is loaded with members who are pretty witty, fantastically funny, brilliant, wise and simply interesting people.

Anyway, welcome again - I look forward to reading some of your future contributions.

(Rosebud - Thank you for the reply - Appreciated!)

Peace,
Ceeboo

Thanks, Ceebo. I'll see if this is the right fit for me or not. I've got several friends here, and I have sometimes questioned their wisdom in engaging here. Seems that the light/heat ratio can run akimbo at times, but I suppose that can be true of our species all too regularly.

MDB is definitely not for the faint of heart, my Randian friend. Even the great Prophet MS/JD could not withstand the heat of the MDB kitchen.

[_Sister Mary Lisa]

The most fascinating part of watching a narcissist at work is how they wield their displeasure as a way of keeping people from calling them out. People who defend him must know that if they cross him they will pay.

[_schreech]

Jesus Christ, I'm sorry I offended the tender sensibilities of the JD haters here. Guess how many f$%#s I give about the whole history of this drama...0. I know very little about JD and I have no interest in any of the organizations he has started or participated in. He could be the biggest, most misogynistic douchebag in the history of all mormonish, misogynistic douchebags. I was responding to the comments in this thread.

I read rollos post and there was no indication of what gender rosebud is. I read the threats and they reeked of spurned, bitter, ex lover who is willing to ruin the life of their unhealthy obsession (hmmm...sounds like the plot of a popular 80s movie...). Show me, in this thread, where MS made any threats close to those made by rosebud and i will happily compare him to crazy glenn close in fatal attraction. The fact that you guys are trying to rationalize full on, life ruining threats because there is some sort of "history", which has not been presented in this thread, is asinine. Screaming "misogynist!" is even stupider considering I would happily say exactly the same thing about a male who is displaying an unhealthy and threatening attitude toward any female.

by the way, anyone who used the real name of a poster (or any member of a posters family) is a dick bag....a big, heavy, unwieldy bag of dicks....

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[_Ceeboo]

Hey again, Hank!

Seems that the light/heat ratio can run akimbo at times,

At times, yes - it sure does!

Perhaps it's the price we all must be willing to pay when we choose to have discussions that involve some pretty deep and highly personal/emotional topics that can (and often do) involve many levels and complicated layers of potential in real life consequences, significant personal investments possibly at risk and human/family relationships that might hang in the balance.....to name a few.

Perhaps I am wrong?

but I suppose that can be true of our species all too regularly.

Indeed!

Peace,
Ceeboo