Making Covenants

[Marcus]

...Especially when you say "I have seen VERY little of that sort of transparency and/or vulnerability from you or Morley and some of the other critics here that love to criticize others and yet seem to be very reticent about going into any detail on what makes them tick." it leaves me with the impression that you would like that information for the purpose of giving you some sort of leverage. Perhaps that's not what you intend, but you should be aware that some people will think that of you when you ask them to make themselves vulnerable. Sorry to say, but it sounds a bit creepy to me...

This is a good call on your part. Over the years I have observed mentalgymnast take bits of things revealed here and then repeatedly try to use them against people, in very disturbing and aggressively inappropriate ways. His behavior was extremely creepy and very intrusive. It's unfortunate that he misuses this space to engage in such ugly intrusions.

[Marcus]

Oh wow. What an utterly rude response. You really are a complete ass, mentalgymnast, a complete and total ass.

I really do not see this post in the same way you apparently do.

obviously.

I think you may be trying to somehow act as a foil for Morley in order to give him a valid reason to ignore my questions.

What a ridiculous statement. I've read Morley's comments and interacted with them on this board, the same as you, and clearly I have learned much about this person that you are now pretending you don't know.

in all sincerity I would love to see some vulnerability on his part. You too for that matter.

when people show vulnerability, you have invariably attempted to exploit the sitution to further your goal here to disparage anyone not LDS.

I’ve been rather transparent and as recently as today admitted to having a faulty memory now and then and even making a mistake or two periodically. I have seen VERY little of that sort of transparency and/or vulnerability from you or Morley and some of the other critics here that love to criticize others and yet seem to be very reticent about going into any detail on what makes them tick.

then you haven't been paying attention.

All for thee but not for me.

Stop your shenanigans and join in the conversation, will ya’?

You have constantly been derailing and throwing off the conversation on this thread. Would it do any good to tell you that this is my thread and you need to behave yourself or leave?

Please stop wasting our time. I don’t know that you’ve actually had ONE thing to add to the discussion besides belly aching.

It’s getting old, Lemmie/Marcus. Please stop.

lol. this is the mentalgymnast act, encapsulated.

[Marcus]

So.

The New and Everlasting Covenant was code for the inner circle around Smith in Nauvoo practicing polygamy. Then it got turned into something different and more lofty sounding after the practice crashed and burned.

Next, the Abrahamic Covenant is up. Setting aside the fact Abraham is a fictional, mythological figure, the invention of a special place for Israel based on obedience is very likely the results of the so-called priestly authors and Deuteronomists identified in the documentary hypothesis. It's fitting this should follow the reframing of the New and Everlasting Covenant in this little examination, really.

Food for thought:
https://webpages.scu.edu/ftp/cmurphy/co ... iestly.htm

An amuse-bouche:

Yet while God is more distant, God's intent with humans is to bless them. This appears to be counterintuitive, given the actual post-exilic circumstances. Nevertheless, it is the Priestly authors' firm belief that the community must be organized in this hope. Brueggemann offers that the five characteristic blessings of the Priestly authors articulated in Gen 1:28 are a nice summary defying their real circumstances:

*be fruitful = no more barrenness
*multiply = no more lack of heirs
*fill the earth = no more being crowded out
*subdue = no more subservience
*have dominion = no more being dominated

The obligation of the people in the Priestly covenant is to maintain their holiness before God by socially just action and care for the poor and vulnerable. Proper worship is important, but is secondary to justice.

Laws and regulations relating to religious spaces, rituals and personnel are prominent features in the priestly source. Proper worship is so important that in the Priestly source there is no sacrifice until the first proto-Temple is built in the Sinai wilderness (Exod 35�40).

Genealogies feature prominently in the Priestly strands of the Torah. Being able to trace a consistent lineage establishes purity, legitimacy and order, and is particularly important for the priesthood if the relationship with God is to be maintained properly. In this source—that is, after the exile— the priesthood is limited to the descendents of Moses' brother, Aaron (and a particular line within that family), but there is no reason to presume that only Aaronids exercised the priesthood in the earlier monarchy. The Priestly source will offer many other genealogies beyond just that of the priesthood, as it seeks to (re-)establish a history and a hierarchy after the chaos of exile.

[Morley]

I pretty much see you as a person that I can’t begin to put a face to. Only that you’re a mainstay critic.

Only of you, my friend. Sadly, I think you've done more to undermine The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints than any other poster presently on this board.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

In short, the covenant God made with Israel (and us by extension) was a faulty covenant, in that Heavenly Father did not enable us to keep the righteous requirements of the law. The Levitical priesthood was contained in a faulty covenant. Whereas in the new covenant, a better covenant, God regenerates us into morally able individuals.

It’s interesting the writers of the portion msnobody quoted retconned their faith to make God fallible, essentially throwing him under the bus for our errant ways. And then God was like, “But wait! I messed up! I have a better deal for you now! Here’s a new promise and pay off!”

-_-

- Doc

[honorentheos]

In short, the covenant God made with Israel (and us by extension) was a faulty covenant, in that Heavenly Father did not enable us to keep the righteous requirements of the law. The Levitical priesthood was contained in a faulty covenant. Whereas in the new covenant, a better covenant, God regenerates us into morally able individuals.

It’s interesting the writers of the portion msnobody quoted retconned their faith to make God fallible, essentially throwing him under the bus for our errant ways. And then God was like, “But wait! I messed up! I have a better deal for you now! Here’s a new promise and pay off!”

-_-

- Doc

I've understood that the same view exists within Mormonism, and was due to the Israelites turning to idolatry after being saved from Egypt. In Mormonism, the first tablets brought from the mountain by Moses contained the higher law. But upon finding the people worshipping the golden calf he broke those tablets written by the finger of God. Then when he went back, he had to write the commandments on the tablets that formed the basis for the law-based covenant.

[honorentheos]

To be cleared though, the Exodus is also a legendary event within a particular cultural mythology. And the story of the golden calf a later addition to those myths used to reinforce the later priestly message that Israel was a covenant people whose distance from God and troubles stemmed from their being unfaithful to God.

[Dr Exiled]

Gotta love making covenants because legend has it that some imaginary people disobeyed the prior covenants they supposedly made with their imaginary god. And this is the basis for a certain poster to think he is somehow superior?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Just a reminder that mAkInG cOvEnAnTs doesn’t include not torturing homosexuals and then lying about it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20211117154 ... ays-shock/

Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.

- Doc

[Nimrod]

Just a reminder that mAkInG cOvEnAnTs doesn’t include not torturing homosexuals and then lying about it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20211117154 ... ays-shock/

Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.

- Doc

Mormonism is an ideology rather than pragmatic, and thus the ends easily justify the means (and collateral damage) for the adherents.