Dad of a Mormon wrote:OK, since I am relatively new, why me, can you explain why you go to a Catholic church, which classifies the LDS church as non-Christian, and yet still believe in and defend the LDS church?
Hey, Dad, why me loves trying to defend conundrums. That's all he ever does here.
The King Follet Discource specifically states that the Father was once a man as Christ was once a man.
Second, the KFD is not "doctrine", scripture, or revelation to the Church. It was Joseph's personal inspiration and revelation. We ALL how are faithful tend to have the same personal revelation. But, it's not doctrine.
Third, most references to the KFD in LDS literature is in reference to other issues, not that the Father was once a man, and if it does address it, it's simply addressing a teaching, not that it's doctrine. Even though yes, I know and can see "some" have called it doctrine.
Sorry, but personal opinions have never made doctrine of the Church. I've told you guys the actual doctrine of the Church related to this issue. Accept it or not. But the sin be upon you for not believing our words. We know our religion, YOU ALL do not. You just think you do.... I know because I've been there. I've had your arrogance and elitism toward the Church and religion itself. You're not impressive in your lazy intellectual degredations.
Obiwan wrote:The King Follet Discource specifically states that the Father was once a man as Christ was once a man.
Second, the KFD is not "doctrine", scripture, or revelation to the Church. It was Joseph's personal inspiration and revelation. We ALL how are faithful tend to have the same personal revelation. But, it's not doctrine.
Third, most references to the KFD in LDS literature is in reference to other issues, not that the Father was once a man, and if it does address it, it's simply addressing a teaching, not that it's doctrine. Even though yes, I know and can see "some" have called it doctrine.
Sorry, but personal opinions have never made doctrine of the Church. I've told you guys the actual doctrine of the Church related to this issue. Accept it or not. But the sin be upon you for not believing our words. We know our religion, YOU ALL do not. You just think you do.... I know because I've been there. I've had your arrogance and elitism toward the Church and religion itself. You're not impressive in your lazy intellectual degredations.
Dear Obiwan:
Since you have provided absolutely nothing to support your assertion about what you think constitutes LDS doctrine, will you at least answer this question:
Why should we believe your say-so over President Hinckley as to whether the King Follett Sermon is church doctrine?
Gordon B. Hinckley September 1994 Ensign In March of the year he died—1844—the Prophet had amplified this doctrine in a monumental address which he delivered in the grove which was just below the temple site. The text of that address has become an important doctrinal document in the theology of the Church. It is known as the King Follett Sermon.
Obiwan is going through a tough time these last six or so months. (Moderator Note)Personal information deleted. Please refrain from addressing personal information regarding other posters unless they have specifically brought those matters up themselves. Thanks. Liz I speculate that O is working things out and any criticisms of the church will feel like what little he has is being threatened.
I have reached out to O to help him, to listen and I hope others here do the same.
Obiwan is going through a tough time these last six or so months. (Moderator Note)Personal information deleted. Please refrain from addressing personal information regarding other posters unless they have specifically brought those matters up themselves. Thanks. Liz I speculate that O is working things out and any criticisms of the church will feel like what little he has is being threatened.
I have reached out to O to help him, to listen and I hope others here do the same.
I am sorry for Obi's situation (Moderator Note) Personal information deleted. Liz
I wish Obi the best in this situation, I've been there.
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Obiwan wrote:TheSecond, the KFD is not "doctrine", scripture, or revelation to the Church.
This is all true. That doesn't mean the pertinent elements of the KFD haven't been taught for generations as if they were doctrine.
Too bad our leaders haven't figured this out.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Obiwan is going through ...I hope others here do the same.
This was total horse crap for doing this. You need to take this off the forum.
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.