John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

[_Sethbag]

The most fascinating part of watching a narcissist at work is how they wield their displeasure as a way of keeping people from calling them out. People who defend him must know that if they cross him they will pay.

Uhuh. Has it occurred to you that perhaps the overwhelming majority of us out here haven't had any part in any of the shitstorm that apparently characterizes his interactions with certain other people? Personally I appreciated Mormon Stories podcasts when I first lost my faith, and I'll always appreciate that. What's gone on since then, or in his professional dealings or personal life, I have no idea, and honestly I couldn't care less. But in reality I'm just scared shitless of John Dehlin or something, right?

Wow.

[_Sethbag]

Also, it seems like several things I've said could indicate that mormonstories had a pretty dang horrible impact on my life that could possibly be described as "destroying" (although I haven't been that hyperbolic). If that's the case, do you think it's worth arguing for me instead of against me HDE? Why can he do what he will do me, but leave me obligated to protect him?

You're not allowed to use threats in public about someone that you aren't willing to back up with facts or evidence.

It's in the rules of life somewhere.

[_Rosebud]

Another way to look at this is that I could have already destroyed someone's life and that I've demonstrated an incredible amount of compassion and patience. Without the details, you can't know. If you had the details, perhaps the lives would already be destroyed.

It's a double bind situation. I wonder how well you would have performed if you were in my shoes?

Well, if you

a) Genuinely believe that other people are at risk
b) Are in a position to do something about it

Then I'm not sure whether I would describe your self-proclaimed forbearance as "compassion and patience". Especially since you appear to take every opportunity you can to post innuendos about it.

Without details all that anyone has Rosebud are your contradictory posts and since you don't seem to actually want to do anything about your claims yourself, to the point that you aren't even willing to substantiate them, it really does call into question the extent to which you think other people are at risk.

Aren't their lives at risk of being "destroyed" due to your delay? Or is this issue really not as serious as you are making it out to be? How will anyone's life be destroyed other than Mormonstories if you "go public"?

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai

You seem like you're trying to provoke me into substantiating the claims on a message board. That would be very foolish. Is there something else you're after?

Did I actually use the word "destroy" somewhere yesterday.... before it was used just now.... or is this a word that is being put into my mouth? If I did, I'd like to see the context in which I used it.

Again, I am not the person hurting mormonstories. Mormonstories has hurt himself. If he hasn't hurt himself, I have no power over him. This is pretty simple stuff. If there is nothing, then why is mormonstories attacking me and denying? Either there's a paper trail 100 miles long or there isn't. If there isn't, then what's the worry? If I'm making claims I can't substantiate, then it's probably worth just ignoring me, don't you think?

But mormonstories doesn't ignore me. He boycotts conferences, attacks other organizations and moves thousands of people into new Facebook groups. You can accept that as evidence or not. It really doesn't matter because this thread isn't about proving anything besides the fact that mormonstories can't intimate me anymore. I think I"ve already made that point.

What I"m hoping, frankly, is that mormonstoires will have the forbearance to ignore this thread right now instead of causing another drama or putting out another podcast. I'm really sick of all that stuff.

Enough said ;).

Sleep well all.

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[_Bazooka]

As for why Mormonstories is dangerous for Mormons. I think I"ve made it pretty clear in this tread that I think he's a threat to women, that he shouldn't be in a position of leadership or the one person who represents progressive Mormons, and that I'm concerned about most of the progressive Mormon donations going to a man who is scamming people. Were you looking for something more specific than that?

A threat to women?

[_Sethbag]

You seem like you're trying to provoke me into substantiating the claims on a message board. That would be very foolish. Is there something else you're after?

If you substantiating your claims on a message board would be foolish, what do you think of claiming publicly to have evidence that would destroy someone, but refusing to reveal it? You don't think that's just a teensy weensy bit foolish too? Cuz everyone else does.

Did I actually use the word "destroy" somewhere yesterday.... before it was used just now.... or is this a word that is being put into my mouth? If I did, I'd like to see the context in which I used it.

Well there was this post, from Wednesday (two days ago as of this writing), where you said:

Then, my plan is to let it go and see if he decides to provoke me into destroying him with all the information and proof I have.

Again, I am not the person hurting mormonstories. Mormonstories has hurt himself. If he hasn't hurt himself, I have no power over him. This is pretty simple stuff. If there is nothing, then why is mormonstories attacking me and denying? Either there's a paper trail 100 miles long or there isn't. If there isn't, then what's the worry? If I'm making claims I can't substantiate, then it's probably worth just ignoring me, don't you think?

Why does this evoke visions of F. Lee Ermey telling that recruit to choke himself on Ermey's hand?

But mormonstories doesn't ignore me. He boycotts conferences, attacks other organizations and moves thousands of people into new Facebook groups. You can accept that as evidence or not. It really doesn't matter because this thread isn't about proving anything besides the fact that mormonstories can't intimate me anymore. I think I"ve already made that point.

What I"m hoping, frankly, is that mormonstories will have the forbearance to ignore this thread right now instead of causing another drama or putting out another podcast. I'm really sick of all that stuff.

Right now I'm wishing I had had the forbearance to ignore this thread. Jesus.

[_Rosebud]

Also, it seems like several things I've said could indicate that mormonstories had a pretty dang horrible impact on my life that could possibly be described as "destroying" (although I haven't been that hyperbolic). If that's the case, do you think it's worth arguing for me instead of against me HDE? Why can he do what he will do me, but leave me obligated to protect him?

Rosebud,

I don't know what your experience has been, I don't know what you've gone through and I don't know what happened. Since you don't seem to be willing to talk about it and haven't actually taken any action against Mormonstories the only one silencing you here is yourself.

You are free to talk about anything you want to talk about, but if you skirt around the issue and refuse to actually talk about it then you can't expect much credence to be given to your claims. Since leaving the Church I prefer to see the evidence and then make my mind up. I've given up on claims from people who speak in vague language, but refuse to be specific about the events they are referring to.

I'm not arguing against you Rosebud, I'm simply saying it how I see it. I don't think you are obligated to do anything, but if you are going to make claims about another person then I expect you to be specific and I expect you to back them up. If you don't do that, it doesn't matter how hyperbolic your language is, it's going to be difficult to find people who take you seriously.

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai

Okay, one more post before I go to sleep.

I think the point is that I'm not expecting anyone to necessarily believe me. Why would they? Mormonstories is the one that jumped in and said that I had no credibility and that's how this whole credibility question thing got started. I'm not trying to convince anyone of my credibility or prove any facts. This is a message board. How would that ever work without me posting a bunch of evidence? What would my incentive be for posting evidence here? (I am actually a fairly intelligent person, promise.... I've thought this through even ;) ). Why do I need to prove my credibility here? Why should that matter to me?

This reminds me of a conversation I had with another public figure about all this. He said something like, "If you keep making these unspecific posts, you just sound bad." My thought was, "Okay... so? And...... " I mean, I've had mormonstories going out of his way to convince people how bad of a person I am for about 2 and 1/2 years. I'm used to it. I don't see why I should get all freaked out about what people think of me. I'm pretty good at walking my own path. I'd say that my experiences with mormonstories have made me even better at that. I do what I do. It's all cool.

I am making the point to mormonstories that he can't intimidate me. I've made that point. People keep asking me for evidence; now the public and mormonstories know my evidence plan. Done. Mormonstories can decide if it's threatening or not threatening to him. If he's done nothing wrong and I'm a deranged woman, then there's no threat, right? Done.

I'm also not giving you all the information because that keeps cards in my hand and because I'm a smart cookie. Mormonstories has enough information. to know what I'm saying.

Okay. Enough. It was fun to have a message board day.

[_schreech]

I am making the point to mormonstories that he can't intimidate me. I've made that point. People keep asking me for evidence; now the public and mormonstories know my evidence plan. Done. Mormonstories can decide if it's threatening or not threatening to him. If he's done nothing wrong and I'm a deranged woman, then there's no threat, right? Done.

Did I actually use the word "destroy" somewhere yesterday....

I think i am starting to see the problem...(cuckoo!)

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[_RockSlider]

If you don't do that, it doesn't matter how hyperbolic your language is, it's going to be difficult to find people who take you seriously.

And this is the part which is winging me out over this whole deal, there were two individuals who apparently do take her serious (and have been more than willing, over the last few days, to viciously attack anyone who does not. And then tonight, my heavens the Bat signal was seen in the heavens and others started showing up out of the blue.