Bigotry against the CoJCoLDS?

[_Jason Bourne]

I am just curious to see whether any of the participant here (particularly Polygamy Porter, MormonMendacity, Scratch, and Tal Bachman) consider themselves to be bigotted against the CoJCoLDS?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Since this a no-verbal-punctuation zone, I guess I cannot truly express my absolute hatred I have for the Salt Lake City branch of Mormonism, NOT the unwitting people(most of em), but the corporation of Flash Gordo.

Bigot? No. You won't see me waving garments in front of the conference center, wearing them, and only them perhaps.. but not waving them. Ahh scratch that.. with my arse hanging out the poop chute and my Johnson falling out the front, I'd get hauled off for public nudity.

The Salt Lake branch of Mormonism is all about changing to expand. They push their missionaries out like junk mailers and spam, hoping for a hit rate of 1,000 to 1... actually worse than junk mail.

I have more respect for the FLDS than I do the LDS church. WHY? The FLDS minds their own gawddamned business, they believe in their faith so much that they are willing to exile themselves from society and their leader stands up for what he believes in... YES he ran from the laws that he was breaking, BUT SO DID Joseph Smith,BY, JT, et al.

Once the COB ceases its human spam renewal program(a.k.a. missionary program) I will cease and desist. Until then I am on a un-mission to seek out every opportunity to reveal the true history, intentions, and nature of the Salt Lake branch of Mormonism, affectionately referred to by only themselves as CoJCoLDS.

As a member I was trained to hang on EVERY GAWDDAMNED word from non members to look for a place to set a noxious barbed hook, in an unwitting attempt to try and pull them into Mormonism. Now it is the complete opposite. I now hang on every word from non Mormons, looking for the opportunity to let out the most vile truth for their minds and hearts to get a wiff of and then I just revel in watching their faces wrinkle up in horror and I bathe in the loud laughter after I show them the handshakes and tell them about the SIX points of fellowship hug the horny old bastards used to give the young brides at the sheet with masonic cutouts in it.

At least three times a week, I find myself talking truth about Mormonism to non members. AND at least once a month I scare the fecal matter outta a member.

Will I end my posting on internet boards? Yes. But mark my words Wade, I will never get off my un-mission!

And this proves that you are a bigot against the LDS Church and its members.

Jason

[_Jason Bourne]

It could probably be just as easily argued that the CoJCoLDS is bigoted against them.

Hardly.

They have left the Church and now are irrationally fill of vile and spite for any believer. Look, I am ok if they want to leave, and even if they want to debate the issues they have trouble with. There are many that do that and are certianoly not bigots, do not hate the Church or all things related to it and are not enemies. Beastie, Shades even, folsk like this...not bigots. PP, Norton, Vegas, etc. Yep.

Jason

I don't begrudge people's anger toward the church. I know what it is to feel totally betrayed by an organization you gave your life to. I'm glad I've gotten past a great deal of that anger, but if people like Nort, Vegas, and PP need to vent their feelings, I'm not going to criticize them. I think we lose a lot in our attempts to be "nice."

There is a difference between venting and doing what PP describes as his mission and sneaking into LDS temples with fake TRs like Norton claims he does. In fact, someone who is ex LDS who takes pride in doing what Norton claims he does has real issues.

Jason

[_Runtu]

It could probably be just as easily argued that the CoJCoLDS is bigoted against them.

Hardly.

They have left the Church and now are irrationally fill of vile and spite for any believer. Look, I am ok if they want to leave, and even if they want to debate the issues they have trouble with. There are many that do that and are certianoly not bigots, do not hate the Church or all things related to it and are not enemies. Beastie, Shades even, folsk like this...not bigots. PP, Norton, Vegas, etc. Yep.

Jason

I don't begrudge people's anger toward the church. I know what it is to feel totally betrayed by an organization you gave your life to. I'm glad I've gotten past a great deal of that anger, but if people like Nort, Vegas, and PP need to vent their feelings, I'm not going to criticize them. I think we lose a lot in our attempts to be "nice."

There is a difference between venting and doing what PP describes as his mission and sneaking into LDS temples with fake TRs like Norton claims he does. In fact, someone who is ex LDS who takes pride in doing what Norton claims he does has real issues.

Jason

I don't condone what Nort did going into the temple that way. I'm not really sure what you mean by PP's mission. If you mean that he is trying to get people away from Mormonism, I don't see how that's particularly bigoted. If you believe something to be a dangerous fraud, you ought to try to help people get out of it, shouldn't you? Would trying to help people not get involved in a Nigerian scam be bigoted against Nigerians?

[_Henry Jacobs]

Post Mormon disillusionment, anger or even hatred of the church seldom has anything to do with the membership. But if lumping the two together gets you where you need to be, go for it. It makes for a pretty effective defense mechanism if the church can paint hostile outsiders as a personal threat to the members themselves. Throwing around words like bigotry is good paint, by the way. But no, we're not a cult!

[_Runtu]

Post Mormon disillusionment, anger or even hatred of the church seldom has anything to do with the membership. But if lumping the two together gets you where you need to be, go for it. It makes for a pretty effective defense mechanism if the church can paint hostile outsiders as a personal threat to the members themselves. Throwing around words like bigotry is good paint, by the way. But no, we're not a cult!

Can you hate Mormonism without hating Mormons? I think so. You're quite right: we don't need to make this personal.

[_Mercury]

I am just curious to see whether any of the participant here (particularly Polygamy Porter, MormonMendacity, Scratch, and Tal Bachman) consider themselves to be bigotted against the CoJCoLDS?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I consider you to be a bigot towards individuals who disagree with you.

I realize that is how you see ME. But, if you look a little more closely, you will see that the question is regarding THEMSLEVES (or, for the comprehension impaired, I am asking each of YOU whether YOU consider YOURSELVES as religious bigots). Do you understand the differnce now?

But, maybe in the way you are responding on this thread, you are inadvertantly answering the question, and putting it beyond question, nevertheless. We'll see. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

You made up your mind on the "bigotry" of exmo's before you posted the question. I think the only enlightenment that can be obtained from this is the realisation by all those not affected by mormon-centric cognitive dissonance of just how you percieve others.

You view us as unjustified in our opinions and because of this I do not see anything wholly constructive being taken away by you.

This attempt to claim those who dislike a controlling cult/business are bigots is your little game wherein you justify your own bigotry.

I would like you to answer one question, asked of you by Tal: If the church was not what it claimed to be would you like to know? Would it be VALUABLE to know this?

[_Southern Redneck]

It could probably be just as easily argued that the CoJCoLDS is bigoted against them.

Hardly.

They have left the Church and now are irrationally fill of vile and spite for any believer. Look, I am ok if they want to leave, and even if they want to debate the issues they have trouble with. There are many that do that and are certianoly not bigots, do not hate the Church or all things related to it and are not enemies. Beastie, Shades even, folsk like this...not bigots. PP, Norton, Vegas, etc. Yep.

Jason

Wow. You missed that target by a mile.

My family and wife are members, and I have no bad feeling towards any of them due to their church membership. I do see vile and spite...but only froom your comments.

[_wenglund]

Sure, I guess it's possible to be bigoted against anything. But the difficulty is, the term "bigotry" is tossed around so much, I don't even really know what it's supposed to mean anymore. Like, every hyper-sensitive person in any supposedly oppressed group screams bigotry at everything from the most innocent slip-ups to real discrimination and everything in between. Ideological fanatics, like say your local Muslims, scream bigotry when we say we ought not to put a bombing operation on hold because of Ramadan. Some Mormons seem like they just yearn to feel as discriminated against as possible. Some Mormons think anti-Mormon bigotry is a guy saying "Mormonism is a fraud". I don't even know what the term means anymore. Actually, maybe I do - it can mean whatever someone who desperately wants to feel like a member of a victimized group wants it so mean. It can include a light joke, a heavy joke, a nasty look, silence, a declaration that what the would-be-victim believe is false, an expressed preference for some other group, anything and everything that someone needs it to mean, who for whatever reasons, requires enemies or victimization.

Bigot, racist and intolerant, are three words that have almost no meaning, yet carry with them tremendous power and influence.

Idiots use them when they cannot argue intelligently.

Granted, the term "bigot" is volitile and has been misused and abused by people who may be hyper-senative or "idiots". I state as much on my ABI web site, and have sought to diminish the abuse through the formulation of a GENERIC and less subjective definition.

However, do you deny that the term can be used legitimately and meaningfully and for valid reasons? Do you deny that the term may be used legitimately and meaningfully and for valid reason in reference to certain antagonists against the Church? If not, then would you please answer my question?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Mister Scratch]

Sure, I guess it's possible to be bigoted against anything. But the difficulty is, the term "bigotry" is tossed around so much, I don't even really know what it's supposed to mean anymore. Like, every hyper-sensitive person in any supposedly oppressed group screams bigotry at everything from the most innocent slip-ups to real discrimination and everything in between. Ideological fanatics, like say your local Muslims, scream bigotry when we say we ought not to put a bombing operation on hold because of Ramadan. Some Mormons seem like they just yearn to feel as discriminated against as possible. Some Mormons think anti-Mormon bigotry is a guy saying "Mormonism is a fraud". I don't even know what the term means anymore. Actually, maybe I do - it can mean whatever someone who desperately wants to feel like a member of a victimized group wants it so mean. It can include a light joke, a heavy joke, a nasty look, silence, a declaration that what the would-be-victim believe is false, an expressed preference for some other group, anything and everything that someone needs it to mean, who for whatever reasons, requires enemies or victimization.

Bigot, racist and intolerant, are three words that have almost no meaning, yet carry with them tremendous power and influence.

Idiots use them when they cannot argue intelligently.

Granted, the term "bigot" is volitile and has been misused and abused by people who may be hyper-senative or "idiots".

However, do you deny that the term can be used legitimately and meaningfully and for valid reasons? Do you deny that the term may be used legitimately and meaningfully and for valid reason in reference to certain antagonists against the Church? If not, then would you please answer my question?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

You have continuously dodged Tal's very straightforward question to you, Wade. Why should anybody have to thus answer *your* questions? Or are we supposed to provide evasive answers such as, "Well, I think your definition of bigot is upside down, etc."? Just admit that you don't want to know whether the Church is actually true of not, and we can continue.

[_wenglund]

Bigot, racist and intolerant, are three words that have almost no meaning, yet carry with them tremendous power and influence.

Idiots use them when they cannot argue intelligently.

I wonder what that says about those who start the discussion using such words? It's like they've given up on their argument before they have even started.

Or, those who look at it this way may be irrationally avoiding the discussion for reasons not too hard to guess. Time will tell.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-