Suggestions Please

[_Gazelam]

Healing and growth.

[_wenglund]

From what I read, this thread is about setting up a board regarding psycological help, and I have almost no tolerance for psychobabble. Now mind you, I'm sure that there are people who honestly have a need. But I can't stand some fully functioning adult crying and whineing about some supposed problem that is in reality a problem regarding self control and maturity.

I don't know that what I have advocated could be fairly and accurately described as "psychobabble". Have you read my Guiding Principles? What is "pyschobabble" about them? (The "ships captain" metaphore is not coincedental. I am both a sailor and a pilot, and the common-sensical principles I mentioned apply well to those avocations, if not also all aspects of life. Furthermore, when I move beyond helping ex-members and unbelievers, to helping believers, such as yourself, with personal and social issues, I will substantiate those Guiding Principles using the LDS scriptures. So, you may not want to dismiss them as "psychobable just yet.) ?

Besides, if you assume there is a problem with "crying and whineing", I am not sure how you would encourage self-control and maturity using your somewhat non-self-controlled and immature approach. I am not sure how effective hypocrisy is as a teaching and motivating tool--though it may serve the purpose of providing a differentiating object lesson. (In fact, my own experience has taught me just how counterproductive it is to use such a strategy, even when my intent was but to "mirror" their behavior.) Wouldn't it be better were you to model self-control and maturity, and demonstrate the advantages of those qualities to all parties concerned?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Jersey Girl]

Healing and growth.

Gaz,

According to your comments one would have to go back 40 years to see "Dad, family and church" as a source of healing and growth. Why 40? What do you see as the reason for that change?

Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

From what I read, this thread is about setting up a board regarding psycological help, and I have almost no tolerance for psychobabble. Now mind you, I'm sure that there are people who honestly have a need. But I can't stand some fully functioning adult crying and whineing about some supposed problem that is in reality a problem regarding self control and maturity.

Gaz,

If a person is in need of healing, they are not a fully functioning adult.

Jersey Girl

[_Gazelam]

Hey, if you want to use the scriptures to encourage appropriate attitude and viewpoints, good for you.

But in your opinion, outside of the psych wards where guys are smearing their feces on the wall, how much of this psyco crap is for real?

How many of these soccer moms who go on tuesdays really need it?

[_wenglund]

that's what family and church are for.

Thirty years ago that's what a Dad was for.

And, if Dad and the family and the Church lack the capacity to effectively and appropriately address the healing and personal growth, then what?

Some may say that healing sicknesses and afflictions is what the Church and the priesthood are for. And, without arguing otherwise, would you rule out the use of doctors and medicine?

If not, then why would you object to professional interventions for emotional/cognitive ailments and disorders?

Some may say that teaching and development is what the Church and the family are for. And, without arguing otherwise, would you rule out secular education and teachers outside the home?

If not, then why would you object to professional education for personality and cognitive behavioral issue?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Gazelam]

When you reflect back through the images of time, where do you see the images of family and values begin to dissintegrate?

[_Jersey Girl]

When you reflect back through the images of time, where do you see the images of family and values begin to dissintegrate?

Could you answer the question I asked you? What do you think (40 years ago) was the reason for the change?

I don't know what you mean by "images". If you can explain that, I'll be glad to try to answer you.

Jersey Girl

[_Runtu]

I think this is the oddest thread I've seen here, and that's saying something!

[_Gazelam]

Because it was around this time that people like Timothy Leary and others like him began encourageing people to "free themselves". And people were listening. Whether this stemmed from the second world war and the introduction of foreign cultures in such a large degree across such a large number of americans, or simply because throwing away the old for the "new" due to the fashion of the times, I don't know. What role television played I don't know.

In any case it just seems like around that time all the treasured values of the society before this were tossed away.

What I mean by images is: When you think of images of the 30's, 40's and 50's, how do these comapre to images you picture of the 60's and 70's?