Coggins7 wrote:Thanks for substantiating my point.
What point? There is no evidence that Joseph Smith did not sleep with his multiple wives. Moreover, we know that the William Clayton journals are off-limits to researchers. Why do you suppose that is?
Fortigurn wrote:A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
Fortigurn wrote:A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
Why do you say that? Because he disapproves of Joseph Smith's behavior and doesn't think presentism excuses it? How does this lead you to believe he is a potential murderer?
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Fortigurn wrote:A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
Why do you say that? Because he disapproves of Joseph Smith's behavior and doesn't think presentism excuses it? How does this lead you to believe he is a potential murderer?
Well, if we're using presentism, mob lynching's weren't all that bad back then. You can hardly call them murderers. ;)
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Fortigurn wrote:A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
And Zakuska would have been the one to destroy the press in Nauvoo.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
Fortigurn wrote:A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
Why do you say that? Because he disapproves of Joseph Smith's behavior and doesn't think presentism excuses it? How does this lead you to believe he is a potential murderer?
I was taking exception to his outlandish accusations of "sex with a minor". Not even Compton thinks there anything more than heresay to back up the claim. And that with Fanny Alger.
Every seminary teacher in the world with the exception of the one in New Zealand is guilty of "presentism". How else could we apply the scriptures to our daily lives?
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Fortigurn wrote:A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
That is a shocking and grossly offensive slander. It is completely untrue.