Non-reporductive sex of married couples within Mormonism.

[_Coggins7]

Ladies and gentlemen, Elvis has left the building. Nothing to see here...

[_Mister Scratch]

Ladies and gentlemen, Elvis has left the building. Nothing to see here...

Why do you keep saying this, Loran? You have obviously done quite a bit of reading, and spent a fair amount of time educating yourself.... Why do you continuously ignore serious criticism of the Church? Do you just know deep down that there is nothing you can do to defend some of this ugliness, or what? I would sincerely like to know....

[_Mephitus]

I just randomly ran across this. (convenient eh?) Its a speach that came out in jan of this year.
http://www.byui.edu/Presentations/Trans ... _Clark.htm

Heres the main point. Even within marraige, you must restrain yourself as you did prior to marraige

"There are some who will tell you that when you marry you get the green light on intimate behavior with your spouse, but such teaching is another of Satan’s lies. Of course, after you marry, the Lord commands you to consummate your intimate, personal relationship and to cleave unto each other. That physical relationship is sacred and holy. It is part of becoming one, wholly and fully united in heart and soul. It is part of building your eternal family. It is pleasing before the Lord; but—and this is a very important qualifier—it must be established in love and kindness, in patience and unselfishness.

Your intimate relationship is just that—a relationship. It is something you create together. Both husband and wife should experience it as joyous and fulfilling. It must be established, therefore, without exploitation, without abuse of any kind, and without self-indulgence. Satan would have you give way to the natural man in your marriage—the man of passion, of carnal desire, of gratification of every impulse and appetite. But remember, the natural man is an enemy to God. You simply cannot give way to the natural man and ever hope to have a union that is holy, a love that is eternal and pure, or a marriage that is blessed and sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. Thus, restraint, control, and bridling your passions are just as important after marriage as before."

So be guilty about wanting sex, even if its in marraige...wtf?

[_Runtu]

I have no idea why you are beating this dead horse in another post. I've already admitted it was policy, and you agree with me that it wasn't' doctrine. Now, on to the next shibboleth.

You could have saved that dead horse's skin by just saying so in the first place. I missed the part where you admitted it was policy. Nope, still don't see it.

[_Fortigurn]

Harmony, you have so little credibiltiy as to knowledge of LDS doctrine...

From what I can see, she knows a lot more than you.

[_Fortigurn]

Very nice. And apparantly so obscure that nobody's ever heard of it or mentioned it since.

On the contrary, it has been demonstrated that plenty of people knew about it, from years ago.

I'm going to reiterate for you the following: I have never enountered this teaching on oral sex in any manual, any conference report, any Sunday School, gospel doctrine, Institute, or other church oriented teaching activity. I have never heard in taught by a single Bishop or Stake President I have ever known personally, it has never come up in a Priesthood interview with any ecclesiastical leader I have ever known in my lifetime, nor in counseling I've received from Bishops for personal issues.

All you're doing is reinforcing the fact that you're not really very well informed on what the LDS church teaches. You also seem to be a Cafeteria Mormon, acknowleding that President believed and taught X, but dismissing it as simply his opinion and not binding on you.

[_gramps]

I just randomly ran across this. (convenient eh?) Its a speach that came out in jan of this year.
http://www.byui.edu/Presentations/Trans ... _Clark.htm

Heres the main point. Even within marraige, you must restrain yourself as you did prior to marraige

"There are some who will tell you that when you marry you get the green light on intimate behavior with your spouse, but such teaching is another of Satan’s lies. Of course, after you marry, the Lord commands you to consummate your intimate, personal relationship and to cleave unto each other. That physical relationship is sacred and holy. It is part of becoming one, wholly and fully united in heart and soul. It is part of building your eternal family. It is pleasing before the Lord; but—and this is a very important qualifier—it must be established in love and kindness, in patience and unselfishness.

Your intimate relationship is just that—a relationship. It is something you create together. Both husband and wife should experience it as joyous and fulfilling. It must be established, therefore, without exploitation, without abuse of any kind, and without self-indulgence. Satan would have you give way to the natural man in your marriage—the man of passion, of carnal desire, of gratification of every impulse and appetite. But remember, the natural man is an enemy to God. You simply cannot give way to the natural man and ever hope to have a union that is holy, a love that is eternal and pure, or a marriage that is blessed and sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. Thus, restraint, control, and bridling your passions are just as important after marriage as before."

So be guilty about wanting sex, even if its in marraige...wtf?

...It must be established, therefore, without exploitation, without abuse of any kind, and without self-indulgence. Satan would have you give way to the natural man in your marriage—the man of passion, of carnal desire, of gratification of every impulse and appetite...

This part is intriguing. No self-indulgence.

So, it goes something like this(assuming you talk to your partner during the act of cleaving to one another):

H:That's quite nice, honey. I like that.

W:Would you like more of that?

H:Well, yeah!...Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait...a minute! Honey, am I being self-indulgent? Let's stop for a minute and pray concerning this point. I'm not sure if I am becoming the "natural man" or if the Spirit thinks this is O.K. I mean, it sure feels good.

(After prayer)H: It seems to be o.k. What do you feel?

W: I can't hear you...There. O.K. What did you say?

H: I think it's O.K. Now, where were we?

W: Excuse me, honey, I couldn't hear you. What did you say?.......

Sounds reasonable to me. I guess.

[_Julie]

...It must be established, therefore, without exploitation, without abuse of any kind, and without self-indulgence. Satan would have you give way to the natural man in your marriage—the man of passion, of carnal desire, of gratification of every impulse and appetite...

This part is intriguing. No self-indulgence.

So, it goes something like this(assuming you talk to your partner during the act of cleaving to one another):

H:That's quite nice, honey. I like that.

W:Would you like more of that?

H:Well, yeah!...Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait...a minute! Honey, am I being self-indulgent? Let's stop for a minute and pray concerning this point. I'm not sure if I am becoming the "natural man" or if the Spirit thinks this is O.K. I mean, it sure feels good.

(After prayer)H: It seems to be o.k. What do you feel?

W: I can't hear you...There. O.K. What did you say?

H: I think it's O.K. Now, where were we?

W: Excuse me, honey, I couldn't hear you. What did you say?.......

Sounds reasonable to me. I guess.

I would never make it as a Mormon! ;)

[_gramps]

I would never make it as a Mormon! ;)

Well, please don't try. It's rough going. Love your signature line. I'm a big fan of Mr. X (Carl Sagan).

[_Mephitus]

you want my view on the idea of whats appropriate in bed between 2 consenting adults?

Simple:


EDIT: i am very tempted to post a 2nd one as a secondary joke. shall i?