Is the Mormon Leadership in a hidden panic?

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_Bond...James Bond
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VegasRefugee wrote:
Fortigurn wrote:What's the turnover rate like within the LDS church?


Round 95 percent fall away within the first year


I thought the retention rate was 25-30%. It's hard to tell because they count you for life once you're baptized. Anyone know of any data on this issue?
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VegasRefugee wrote:
Fortigurn wrote:What's the turnover rate like within the LDS church?


Round 95 percent fall away within the first year


Ouch. Even Bond's statistics aren't much better. That says something right there.
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Fortigurn wrote:
Ouch. Even Bond's statistics aren't much better. That says something right there.


The worst part is that the numbers are doctored within an inch of their life. Of the listed 12.5 mil I'd bet on no more than 4 million actual members.
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Fortigurn wrote:
Ouch. Even Bond's statistics aren't much better. That says something right there.


The worst part is that the numbers are doctored within an inch of their life. Of the listed 12.5 mil I'd bet on no more than 4 million actual members.


Most being older members with children unwilling to continue the assinine belief system.

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Here a link to the membership numbers from Dr. Shades site. As you can see, a little common sense math shows the numbers get a little hazy.

http://www.mormoninformation.com/stats.htm
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Fortigurn wrote:
Ouch. Even Bond's statistics aren't much better. That says something right there.


The worst part is that the numbers are doctored within an inch of their life. Of the listed 12.5 mil I'd bet on no more than 4 million actual members.


Is it true that they keep people on their records even after they have left, unless they ask specifically to be removed? This would certainly inflate the figures artificially.
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Fortigurn wrote:Is it true that they keep people on their records even after they have left, unless they ask specifically to be removed? This would certainly inflate the figures artificially.


Yes, but it's worse than that: They keep people on their records even after they ask specifically to be removed, too! They keep a great deal on their records after they die, as well. Sometimes they even type a few keystrokes to add "ghost members" when they deem it necessary.

See the link Bond...James Bond posted for proof of this.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fortigurn wrote:Is it true that they keep people on their records even after they have left, unless they ask specifically to be removed? This would certainly inflate the figures artificially.


Yes, but it's worse than that: They keep people on their records even after they ask specifically to be removed, too! They keep a great deal on their records after they die, as well. Sometimes they even type a few keystrokes to add "ghost members" when they deem it necessary.


Wow.

See the link Bond...James Bond posted for proof of this.


Interesting link. There does seem to be a large number of ghost members. I wonder what justification they offer for this style of accounting?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fortigurn wrote:Is it true that they keep people on their records even after they have left, unless they ask specifically to be removed? This would certainly inflate the figures artificially.


Yes, but it's worse than that: They keep people on their records even after they ask specifically to be removed, too! They keep a great deal on their records after they die, as well. Sometimes they even type a few keystrokes to add "ghost members" when they deem it necessary.


Here's an example of how they can fudge their numbers:

A young man (or woman) of 20 gets converted, baptized, and signed up as a member. Shortly afterwards, the young man just stops going (goes inactive). He never resigns because he didn't think it was a big deal, and goes on to live for 50 more years and dies. The Mormon church won't purge his name as a member for 90 years since they have no knowledge of him. In 2097 or whatever, the Church will finally remove his name. Till then, he's a member.

The age of purging is still a 110 right?
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Anyone, anywhere, can now safely vent their feelings worldwide. They can openly mock the church’s secrets. They can directly contact one another. They can share their independent scholarship and, to the church’s despair, warn potential newcomers using solid information that the church’s missionaries are helpless to refute.


Actually, what I've noticed is simply an explosion of repeating false conclusions based on what someone else here termed 'lazy research'. Of course that's a kind way of putting it because such 'laziness' has been intentional. As a consequence according to the 2 Nephi 2:11 principle there are people like me who have arisen to ferret out all the mistakes and false logic to such an extent that it simply is the same as it always was as per Matthew 13:1-23.

All it takes is for someone like me (and there are usually about a half-dozen per ward) to be there during the discussions or when questions are raised in class. The frauds are quickly outted and the congregation is further innoculated. We don't even have to delve into all questions. All we have to do is show a few errors on your part and your credibility is destroyed.

In a stake like ours where we have 40-60 over 18 convert baptisms per year, the prime motivation for investigating the Church and taking the discussions has been this very antiMormon material usually found in the internet.

For those knowledgable in the imagery expounded upon in 'The Parthenon Code', all you 'critics' have done is raise undefeatable 'centaurs' (sons of God) of the type that existed before Noah. Science and scholarship has never been friendly to those critical of the LDS Church.
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