The good that the church does

[_Runtu]

For one I would lke reasons and for two, how in the worlds can you or anyone know this? My wife, a concert, thinks the LDS Church is the best thing the ever happened to her and believes it saved her from a rather destructive path that she was on.

I think the LDS church works for some people, but I don't think the positives it provides are things that other groups and religions are unable to provide. Simply put, you can get the good things elsewhere without having to deal with the bad baggage of the LDS church.

[_Jason Bourne]

For one I would lke reasons and for two, how in the worlds can you or anyone know this? My wife, a concert, thinks the LDS Church is the best thing the ever happened to her and believes it saved her from a rather destructive path that she was on.

I think the LDS church works for some people, but I don't think the positives it provides are things that other groups and religions are unable to provide. Simply put, you can get the good things elsewhere without having to deal with the bad baggage of the LDS church.

Well you could get the good from the Catholic Church or any other Church without any baggage as well. The point is the LDS Church works well for many people. Would they do as well without it? Maybe, maybe not. My wife thinks she would have ended up in a bad relationship and continued to drink much too much had she not joined the LDS Church. I guess if she could do and It's a Wonderful Life gig she would know for sure. in my opinion there is not a perfect religion out there. Some want and indeed need religion to help them in life. Others may not. Some who may not maye need it to help them do better. WHo knows. But you can in know way know or say on an individual basis that the Church does more bad then good for someone. Nor do I.

[_cacheman]

I think there are two far more important questions:

- does the good that comes as a result of the church's existence outweigh the bad?
- do people need the church in order to do good?

I'd answer no to both questions.

I think the first question has to be answered on an individual basis. For some people the answer is yes, for others it's no. The answer for the second question in my opinion is no.

cacheman

[_Gazelam]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsfoundation/accelwork/humanintereststory/0,7989,1325--9-1479,00.html

Also:
According to the World Health Organization, more than one billion people lack access to clean water. Those without clean water often suffer from water-borne diseases such as cholera, diarrhea, and typhoid.

The objective of the Church’s clean water initiative is to improve the health of communities by providing access to sustainable clean water sources. Depending on local needs and circumstances, these water sources include wells (or boreholes), water storage and delivery systems, and water purification systems.

Since 2002, the Church has helped 3.5 million people in over 2,500 communities obtain access to clean water sources at an average cost of $3.40 (USD) per beneficiary.

Clean water projects have enjoyed long-term sustainability because:

Communities are involved in the planning and implementation of each project. Most labor is provided by community members and other volunteers.
Community representatives are trained on system maintenance prior to project completion.
In 2006, clean water projects were done in 34 countries, including Algeria, Armenia, Cambodia, China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Dominican Republic, Ethiopia, Fiji, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, Liberia, Madagascar, Malaysia, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Samoa, Serbia, Tanzania, Tonga, Uganda, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

[_Jason Bourne]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsfoundation/accelwork/humanintereststory/0,7989,1325--9-1479,00.html

Also:
According to the World Health Organization, more than one billion people lack access to clean water. Those without clean water often suffer from water-borne diseases such as cholera, diarrhea, and typhoid.

The objective of the Church’s clean water initiative is to improve the health of communities by providing access to sustainable clean water sources. Depending on local needs and circumstances, these water sources include wells (or boreholes), water storage and delivery systems, and water purification systems.

Since 2002, the Church has helped 3.5 million people in over 2,500 communities obtain access to clean water sources at an average cost of $3.40 (USD) per beneficiary.

Clean water projects have enjoyed long-term sustainability because:

Communities are involved in the planning and implementation of each project. Most labor is provided by community members and other volunteers.
Community representatives are trained on system maintenance prior to project completion.
In 2006, clean water projects were done in 34 countries, including Algeria, Armenia, Cambodia, China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Dominican Republic, Ethiopia, Fiji, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, Liberia, Madagascar, Malaysia, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Samoa, Serbia, Tanzania, Tonga, Uganda, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

How about it Mr. Scratch. The above certianly must meet your narrow requirments.

[_Mister Scratch]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsfoundation/accelwork/humanintereststory/0,7989,1325--9-1479,00.html

Also:
According to the World Health Organization, more than one billion people lack access to clean water. Those without clean water often suffer from water-borne diseases such as cholera, diarrhea, and typhoid.

The objective of the Church’s clean water initiative is to improve the health of communities by providing access to sustainable clean water sources. Depending on local needs and circumstances, these water sources include wells (or boreholes), water storage and delivery systems, and water purification systems.

Since 2002, the Church has helped 3.5 million people in over 2,500 communities obtain access to clean water sources at an average cost of $3.40 (USD) per beneficiary.

Clean water projects have enjoyed long-term sustainability because:

Communities are involved in the planning and implementation of each project. Most labor is provided by community members and other volunteers.
Community representatives are trained on system maintenance prior to project completion.
In 2006, clean water projects were done in 34 countries, including Algeria, Armenia, Cambodia, China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Dominican Republic, Ethiopia, Fiji, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, Liberia, Madagascar, Malaysia, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Samoa, Serbia, Tanzania, Tonga, Uganda, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

How about it Mr. Scratch. The above certianly must meet your narrow requirments.

See the bit I've highlighted in bold. Also: Were BofMs distributed? Did any proselytizing take place? If so, whatever might be viewed as "charitable" about this act is tainted.

[_Jason Bourne]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsfoundation/accelwork/humanintereststory/0,7989,1325--9-1479,00.html

Also:
According to the World Health Organization, more than one billion people lack access to clean water. Those without clean water often suffer from water-borne diseases such as cholera, diarrhea, and typhoid.

The objective of the Church’s clean water initiative is to improve the health of communities by providing access to sustainable clean water sources. Depending on local needs and circumstances, these water sources include wells (or boreholes), water storage and delivery systems, and water purification systems.

Since 2002, the Church has helped 3.5 million people in over 2,500 communities obtain access to clean water sources at an average cost of $3.40 (USD) per beneficiary.

Clean water projects have enjoyed long-term sustainability because:

Communities are involved in the planning and implementation of each project. Most labor is provided by community members and other volunteers.
Community representatives are trained on system maintenance prior to project completion.
In 2006, clean water projects were done in 34 countries, including Algeria, Armenia, Cambodia, China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Dominican Republic, Ethiopia, Fiji, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, Liberia, Madagascar, Malaysia, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Samoa, Serbia, Tanzania, Tonga, Uganda, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

How about it Mr. Scratch. The above certianly must meet your narrow requirments.

See the bit I've highlighted in bold. Also: Were BofMs distributed? Did any proselytizing take place? If so, whatever might be viewed as "charitable" about this act is tainted.

I hardly think BoMs were distributed

You still have failed to deal with the additional numerous examples I give as well as the argument that your standard for something to be totally charitable is riduculously high. I doubt you apply it to other organizations equally.

[_Mister Scratch]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsfoundation/accelwork/humanintereststory/0,7989,1325--9-1479,00.html

Also:
According to the World Health Organization, more than one billion people lack access to clean water. Those without clean water often suffer from water-borne diseases such as cholera, diarrhea, and typhoid.

The objective of the Church’s clean water initiative is to improve the health of communities by providing access to sustainable clean water sources. Depending on local needs and circumstances, these water sources include wells (or boreholes), water storage and delivery systems, and water purification systems.

Since 2002, the Church has helped 3.5 million people in over 2,500 communities obtain access to clean water sources at an average cost of $3.40 (USD) per beneficiary.

Clean water projects have enjoyed long-term sustainability because:

Communities are involved in the planning and implementation of each project. Most labor is provided by community members and other volunteers.
Community representatives are trained on system maintenance prior to project completion.
In 2006, clean water projects were done in 34 countries, including Algeria, Armenia, Cambodia, China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Dominican Republic, Ethiopia, Fiji, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, Liberia, Madagascar, Malaysia, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Samoa, Serbia, Tanzania, Tonga, Uganda, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

How about it Mr. Scratch. The above certianly must meet your narrow requirments.

See the bit I've highlighted in bold. Also: Were BofMs distributed? Did any proselytizing take place? If so, whatever might be viewed as "charitable" about this act is tainted.

I hardly think BoMs were distributed

You still have failed to deal with the additional numerous examples I give

I believe I did deal with them, Jason. Many of your examples were instances of the Church looking after its own, which, as I've said, are "tainted" and do not count as legit charity in my opinion. You also made mention of the Church helping in the aftermath of natural disasters, but I would like to see more specific, concrete support. I want more details: e.g., from a news article, or something like that.

as well as the argument that your standard for something to be totally charitable is riduculously high. I doubt you apply it to other organizations equally.

You are absolutely right: I do not apply it to other organizations. Then again, "other organizations" do not claim to be Jesus Christ's One True Church on the face of the earth.

[_Jason Bourne]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsfoundation/accelwork/humanintereststory/0,7989,1325--9-1479,00.html

Also:
According to the World Health Organization, more than one billion people lack access to clean water. Those without clean water often suffer from water-borne diseases such as cholera, diarrhea, and typhoid.

The objective of the Church’s clean water initiative is to improve the health of communities by providing access to sustainable clean water sources. Depending on local needs and circumstances, these water sources include wells (or boreholes), water storage and delivery systems, and water purification systems.

Since 2002, the Church has helped 3.5 million people in over 2,500 communities obtain access to clean water sources at an average cost of $3.40 (USD) per beneficiary.

Clean water projects have enjoyed long-term sustainability because:

Communities are involved in the planning and implementation of each project. Most labor is provided by community members and other volunteers.
Community representatives are trained on system maintenance prior to project completion.
In 2006, clean water projects were done in 34 countries, including Algeria, Armenia, Cambodia, China, Democratic Republic of Congo, Dominican Republic, Ethiopia, Fiji, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, Liberia, Madagascar, Malaysia, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Samoa, Serbia, Tanzania, Tonga, Uganda, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

How about it Mr. Scratch. The above certianly must meet your narrow requirments.

See the bit I've highlighted in bold. Also: Were BofMs distributed? Did any proselytizing take place? If so, whatever might be viewed as "charitable" about this act is tainted.

I hardly think BoMs were distributed

You still have failed to deal with the additional numerous examples I give

I believe I did deal with them, Jason. Many of your examples were instances of the Church looking after its own, which, as I've said, are "tainted" and do not count as legit charity in my opinion. You also made mention of the Church helping in the aftermath of natural disasters, but I would like to see more specific, concrete support. I want more details: e.g., from a news article, or something like that.

as well as the argument that your standard for something to be totally charitable is riduculously high. I doubt you apply it to other organizations equally.

You are absolutely right: I do not apply it to other organizations. Then again, "other organizations" do not claim to be Jesus Christ's One True Church on the face of the earth.

Sorry Scatch. It is not worth my time. Further, it is even worth less of my time based on your last sentance above. I gave a few more examples but your determination to singly apply a ludicrously stringemt requirement on the LDS Church for what it does to be true charity makes this a waste of time. I am satasfied the LDS Church is a very strong force for good in many ways including charitable activites. We will have to disaggree on this one.

[_Jason Bourne]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index. ... 94610aRCRD



Quilters Sew to Help Homeless Families

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HOUSTON 21 March 2007 For 11 years, quilters in the Houston area have joined together to make handmade quilts for homeless families. To date, they have sewn over 1,800 quilts.

In 1996, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day organized the Interfaith Quilting Bee, bringing together quilters of different religions — Mormons, Presbyterians and Catholics. The quilters are even varied in age, ranging from high school students to grandmothers.

The quilting bee was intended to be a one-time-only project, but the enthusiasm of the quilters caused organizers to make the bee an annual event.

“What was most surprising was how the event resonated immediately with women from numerous congregations,” said Chris Fults, one of the founders of the group. “Many of us recognized that we were forging community bonds while at the same time serving God by serving our neighbors in need.”

Once completed, the quilts are donated to the Interfaith Hospitality Network, a division of the local charity Northwest Assistance Ministries. The group helps over 3,000 families that cannot afford basic needs such as food, education and health care.

Amy Voss-Foster, a member of the Northwoods Presbyterian Church, said, “The bee is the reward, the thank you, the warm fuzzy feeling of dedicating those quilts we have worked on all year to the Interfaith Hospitality Network cause.”