PBS special and a homosexual question

[_ajax18]

Maybe I'm reading you wrong here but I have yet to see any indication that you think marriage is about bonding, love, emotional connection, care, compassion, companionship, sharing of lives, etc. etc. etc.

Those things are all fine, but I don't see how that refutes my point that the young men are getting the bad end of the deal in pushing the marriage age to older and older. Women may have sex drive, but it's not usually strong enough to make them chase after men as men chase women.

If I just wanted love, compassion, care, and companionship, I'd go to my buddies playing sports, at work, or my parents. Women that I've dated are generally only interested in compassion, care, love etc. when it's towards them not me. It's not a two way street. They can complain to me, but not me to them. We don't talk about me, we talk about them. If it were only those factors you listed, I would have no female friends and all male friends. So why do I even bother with women at all? I think you know, and unfortunately they do too.

[_truth dancer]

Those things are all fine, but I don't see how that refutes my point that the young men are getting the bad end of the deal in pushing the marriage age to older and older. Women may have sex drive, but it's not usually strong enough to make them chase after men as men chase women.

Again, you seem not to realize that women are equally driven toward sex. The idea of not rusing into a LIFE LONG relationship just so one can have sex is rather mature. But to be sure... waiting for sex is hard for women as well as men.

The idea of men as sperm donors is pretty primitive... I know a lot of men who are interested in being more than an animal going around spreading his seed. (smile)

If I just wanted love, compassion, care, and companionship, I'd go to my buddies playing sports, at work, or my parents. Women that I've dated are generally only interested in compassion, care, love etc. when it's towards them not me. It's not a two way street. They can complain to me, but not me to them. We don't talk about me, we talk about them.

A healthy relationship involved a lot more than sex... it sounds like you have not met many decent women.

If it were only those factors you listed, I would have no female friends and all male friends. So why do I even bother with women at all? I think you know, and unfortunately they do too.

Actually, I'm not sure about your point here... You bother with women because you want sex? OK. To be honest I think it is sort of sad. I mean seriously, a mature, healthy relationship is much, much more than just sex.

Do you think the church has influenced your ideas that marriage is just about sex? Or that marriage (polygamy) is about procreation for guys and childbirth for women? Or that women are not sexual and men are created to have multiple partners? Just curious...

~dancer~

[_harmony]

What exactly about homosexuality is it that repulses you so much, Ajax?

[_ajax18]

Do you think the church has influenced your ideas that marriage is just about sex? Or that marriage (polygamy) is about procreation for guys and childbirth for women? Or that women are not sexual and men are created to have multiple partners? Just curious...

Most men in the church wouldn't agree with my views. I arrived at them through personal experience, how I saw other men and women behave, watching how animals behave etc. Being forced to date and marry only members and no sex before marriage does cause problems in my opinion but I'm not sure that would change my experience that much.

As far as what grosses me out about homosexuality I think I wrote that above, but it's not the people just the act and what they do. My point was that excluding my Mormon upbringing, it still strikes the natural man in me as perverse and disgusting. I especially hate the idea of grown men with young boys, a phenomena that occurred in ancient Greece and Rome.

I also strongly believe that children should be biologically related to their parents if at all possible. Even if Mom is a bad Mom, she's still your Mom and you can't ever replace that. To a lesser extent the same is true for Dad.

[_Jersey Girl]

ajax

I especially hate the idea of grown men with young boys, a phenomena that occurred in ancient Greece and Rome.

If you're referring to pederasty, it was part of the socialization of males in that culture involving older males who were heterosexual and married with younger males in the society. That is not to rule out that some of the males may have been homosexual but my reading indicates that it was heterosexual males. I hate to be graphic and this isn't my favorite topic to be sure but I do know something about it. In the Greco Roman culture that you're thinking of, pederasty did not typically include anal sex which was reserved as an insult/punishment to women and male prostitutes.

My aren't I just the fountain of information!

Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

And the fountain spews forth!

ajax, I found this little wiki link for you to read and consider. Please read the whole piece or not at all. I just wanted you to see what I was talking about when I referred to sexual activity and the pederastic relationship in the Greco Roman culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

[_ajax18]

As a side note I had an old mission companion who went home to find his parents getting a divorce. The reason was that his dad decided that he was gay. He was absolutely devastated and I would have been as well. I'm sure his mom didn't feel much better.

[_ajax18]

ajax

I especially hate the idea of grown men with young boys, a phenomena that occurred in ancient Greece and Rome.

If you're referring to pederasty, it was part of the socialization of males in that culture involving older males who were heterosexual and married with younger males in the society. That is not to rule out that some of the males may have been homosexual but my reading indicates that it was heterosexual males. I hate to be graphic and this isn't my favorite topic to be sure but I do know something about it. In the Greco Roman culture that you're thinking of, pederasty did not typically include anal sex which was reserved as an insult/punishment to women and male prostitutes.

My aren't I just the fountain of information!

Jersey Girl

Yes that certainly strikes me as strange, but I think you're right. I've heard the same that it was heterosexual men (of some sort) who paired up with young boys. As written in the link you provided the relationship doesn't seem terribly abusive as I would have imagined, but even under the best of circumstances I personally still see it as disgusting.

[_Jersey Girl]

ajax

I especially hate the idea of grown men with young boys, a phenomena that occurred in ancient Greece and Rome.

If you're referring to pederasty, it was part of the socialization of males in that culture involving older males who were heterosexual and married with younger males in the society. That is not to rule out that some of the males may have been homosexual but my reading indicates that it was heterosexual males. I hate to be graphic and this isn't my favorite topic to be sure but I do know something about it. In the Greco Roman culture that you're thinking of, pederasty did not typically include anal sex which was reserved as an insult/punishment to women and male prostitutes.

My aren't I just the fountain of information!

Jersey Girl

Yes that certainly strikes me as strange, but I think you're right. I've heard the same that it was heterosexual men (of some sort) who paired up with young boys. As written in the link you provided the relationship doesn't seem terribly abusive as I would have imagined, but even under the best of circumstances I personally still see it as disgusting.

I understand that you see it as disgusting. I just wanted to supply you with more information.

Jersey Girl

[_ajax18]

It was a good link. Thanks