Doctor Steuss wrote: If you could prove that G-d is omniscient, I would lose all respect for Him for sending me to the crap-hole of an existence and for putting me through all of the never-ending mental suffering when He already knew the outcome and could have simply consigned me to a kingdom without putting me through so much crap to begin with.
Tarski wrote:Q: How does a being that is decidedly not omniscient, nevertheless determine that another being is omniscience?
Why do you suppose it is the omniscent-challenged being that is making the determination, rather than the omniscient being making the determination and declaring it to the omniscent-challenged being?
Sounds to me like Nehor is explicitly stating the latter.
Do you see a logical problem with the determination of omniscience being made by an omniscient being who then conveys that determination to a omniscient-challenged being?
Tarski wrote:Q: How does a being that is decidedly not omniscient, nevertheless determine that another being is omniscience?
Why do you suppose it is the omniscent-challenged being that is making the determination, rather than the omniscient being making the determination and declaring it to the omniscent-challenged being?
Sounds to me like Nehor is explicitly stating the latter.
Do you see a logical problem with the determination of omniscience being made by an omniscient being who then conveys that determination to a omniscient-challenged being?
While The Nehor was speaking of an omniscient making the declaration of his omniscience, Tarski's question was about an omniscient-challenged being (namely us) making the determination as to whether that omniscient being is what he says he is. In short, how do we know that someone claiming to be omniscient isn't lying?
What if I told you that I'm omniscient? Why wouldn't you believe me (or would you)?
What if it were an angel that apppeared in a white robe?
What if tried shaking his hand but your hand passed through his?
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
I guess I'm an optimist. I assume that he's telling me the truth.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
If a self-declared omniscient being infromed me he was omniscient, I would ask him, "How do you know you're omniscient?"
I'd then post his response in Tal's thread.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
Gadianton wrote:If a self-declared omniscient being infromed me he was omniscient, I would ask him, "How do you know you're omniscient?"
I'd then post his response in Tal's thread.
I suspect it might be something along the lines of:
"I see every speck of existence before me eternally and all of it obeys my every command. I also see all of it back to the non-existent beginning and to the never-to-come end of all things."
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Gadianton wrote:If a self-declared omniscient being infromed me he was omniscient, I would ask him, "How do you know you're omniscient?"
I'd then post his response in Tal's thread.
I suspect it might be something along the lines of:
"I see every speck of existence before me eternally and all of it obeys my every command. I also see all of it back to the non-existent beginning and to the never-to-come end of all things."
I would think his answer would be more along the lines of…
“How do I know I’m omniscient? That’s a silly question. I know that I am because I am. If I didn't know that I was, then I wouldn't be.”
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
I see every speck of existence before me eternally and all of it obeys my every command
including the specks of existence that made up Lamen and Lemuel huh?
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
The Nehor wrote: Okay, I don't have that book so would love to see it. Be forewarned, I might disagree with it.
I don't think you'll disagree with it. It just mentions that there are differing beliefs among the LDS about God's omniscience. Here it is:
Encyclopedia of Mormonism p. 1030 wrote:Omniscience. Latter-day Saints differ among themselves in their understanding of the nature of God's knowledge. Some have thought that God increases endlessly in knowledge as well as in glory and dominion. Others hold to the more traditional view that God's knowledge, including the foreknowledge of future free contingencies, is complete. Despite these differing views, there is accord on two fundamental issues: (1) God's foreknowledge does not causally determine human choices, and (2) this knowledge, like God's power, is maximally efficacious. No event occurs that he has not anticipated or has not taken into account in his planning.