Mormon mindset....

[_Polygamy Porter]

Polygamy Porter promoting a complaint that deplores the use of profanity? On an irony scale of 1 to 1000, where would this rate?

How stupid are you?

I was pointing out the overt censorship at the LDS Inc media outlet which masquerades as a newspaper.

[_harmony]

Polygamy Porter promoting a complaint that deplores the use of profanity? On an irony scale of 1 to 1000, where would this rate?

1 billion?

[_Daniel Peterson]

Muzzle Peggy Stack? I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I don't know Peggy Stack from a hole in the wall.

I can walk and chew gum -- and respond to more than one poster -- at the same time. Hint: I'm not the one here who first mentioned Peggy Fletcher Stack.

As for the ownership thing... if it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, molts like a duck... it's not a pig, Daniel.

No matter how much you quack and oink, the fact remains that the Salt Lake Tribune is not owned by the Church.

Red herring alert. Why would it matter if they were practicing or not? And why would you bring that up? Does an individual reporter's private religious thoughts have any bearing on this discussion?

We're talking about control of the flow of information. Presumably, such control would be easier for the Church to effect by means of reporters who were active and committed members than through reporters who are non-members, inactive members, disaffected members, or ex-members.

I have no idea who Tom Barberi is or what KALL talk show is all about. Oh wait. He's been around SLCentral for over 30 years, hosting talk radio shows, so maybe he actually knows what he's talking about?

Tom Barberi is a well-known non-Mormon radio personality in Salt Lake City who is a frequent critic of Mormonism and of the Church and whose successful career in Utah over three decades illustrates nicely the problematic character of your assertions on this thread and the exaggerated nature of his own claim.

Thank you for mentioning him.

[_Jason Bourne]

I' ve read the article too and didn't see any profanity or the Lord's name said in vain. Where is it?

There is no profanity in the article. It's in the video. So the complainer was a bit off target, since she complained about something that doesn't exist.

And yes, the church owns both the DN and the Trib. They control most of the news in UT, through KSL radio and tv, the DN, and the Trib.

I do not think the Church owns the trib.

[_Yong Xi]

The Church owns KSL-Radio and KSL-TV, but there are numerous other Salt Lake radio and television stations -- including significant network affiliates -- that the Church does not own. And, to the best of my knowledge, the Church owns no regional Utah newspaper. Moreover, so far as I can tell, apart from KBYU-FM and KBYU-TV the Church owns no other Utah broadcasting outlets.

According to the Church owned Bonneville International website, Bonneville owns the following in the Salt Lake City market:

KSL TV
KSL Radio
KSFI Radio
KRSP Radio
KUTR Radio

In addition, the church obviously owns KBYU TV and KBYU FM (Which I love.)

According to Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth), the Church also owns the following in the Cedar City/St. George market:

KUNF Radio
KDYU
KSNN
KREL

The fact is the church has the most media influence by far of any organization in Utah. Nothing else comes close. KSL Radio and TV are tops is their markets, due primarily to the high concentration of LDS. Ironically, the SL Tribune is larger than the Deseret News. There are many active LDS who will not subscribe to the Deseret News. The SL Tribune has taken a much softer approach with the LDS church since the purchase by Dean Singleton who, as I understand it, is sympathetic in some respects to the church.

[_Mister Scratch]

Muzzle Peggy Stack? I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I don't know Peggy Stack from a hole in the wall.

I can walk and chew gum -- and respond to more than one poster -- at the same time. Hint: I'm not the one here who first mentioned Peggy Fletcher Stack.

That's right. I was. And I later added that the transfer of ownership has happened fairly recently. Too recently for us to detect any "muzzling" as of yet.

As for the ownership thing... if it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, molts like a duck... it's not a pig, Daniel.

No matter how much you quack and oink, the fact remains that the Salt Lake Tribune is not owned by the Church.

Did anyone ever say that the Trib was "owned" by the Church? I know that *I* said that the owners were, essentially, "puppets" for the Church, but that's a rather different thing from ownership.

Red herring alert. Why would it matter if they were practicing or not? And why would you bring that up? Does an individual reporter's private religious thoughts have any bearing on this discussion?

We're talking about control of the flow of information. Presumably, such control would be easier for the Church to effect by means of reporters who were active and committed members than through reporters who are non-members, inactive members, disaffected members, or ex-members.

Come on, Prof. P. The higher-ups in the Church are smarter than that. Control of information would have to be far more subtle and sophisticated that stacking the papers with s corps of loyal LDS. The better tactic would be to sprinkle in some non-Mormons, and, more desirable of all, some non-Mormons who are sympathetic to the Church and willing to do the Brethren's bidding. This seems to have been the case with the previous Ed-in-Chief of the DesNews.

I have no idea who Tom Barberi is or what KALL talk show is all about. Oh wait. He's been around SLCentral for over 30 years, hosting talk radio shows, so maybe he actually knows what he's talking about?

Tom Barberi is a well-known non-Mormon radio personality in Salt Lake City who is a frequent critic of Mormonism and of the Church and whose successful career in Utah over three decades illustrates nicely the problematic character of your assertions on this thread and the exaggerated nature of his own claim.

No, it doesn't. As I just said, Church manipulation of the media would have to be subtle. Can you imagine the outcry we would see if it's manipulation was totally overt? The Church is smarter than that.

[_The Dude]

Polygamy Porter --

I would say "a Mormon mindset" is a keen descriptor for what motivates someone in Utah to write to the newspaper with a guilt-trip about profanity. Someone with that mindset doesn't really want the news anyway, they just want to feel peachy and preachy, when the opportunity arises.

And the edited the paper! Well, we all knew the Deseret News had a "Mormon mindset", eh? Glad I live far, far away from such nonsense (Mormon or otherwise).

[_Daniel Peterson]

According to the Church owned Bonneville International website, Bonneville owns the following in the Salt Lake City market:

KSL TV
KSL Radio

Already noted.

KSFI Radio
KRSP Radio
KUTR Radio

I admit that I did not know that the Church owns a corporation that, in addition to KSL-Radio and KSL-TV and among other stations outside of Utah, owns a “Soft Hits with Less Talk” FM Adult Contemporary station, a "Classic Hits" FM heritage rock station that plays “The Music You Grew Up With,” and an AM station that plays contemporary inspirational music throughout the week for those reflective moods and contemplative moments.

I don't know how many radio stations broadcast in the Salt Lake City market. One purportedly complete list totalling (by my count) 108 stations occurs here:

http://www.ontheradio.net/metro/Salt_Lake_City_UT.aspx

I note that it includes affiliates of networks, talk radio channels, "Christian" stations, public stations, and etc., that are not owned, so far as I can see, by any company owned by the Church -- which owns somewhat less than 4% of the radio stations identified as being in the Salt Lake City market.

In addition, the church obviously owns KBYU TV and KBYU FM (Which I love.)

Already noted.

According to Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth), the Church also owns the following in the Cedar City/St. George market:

KUNF Radio
KDYU
KSNN
KREL

It's possible, I suppose. But I would wonder why, apart from BYU's facilities, the Church would own any stations outright rather than under the Bonneville umbrella.

The fact is the church has the most media influence by far of any organization in Utah. Nothing else comes close.

Don't shift the goal posts. Whether the Church has the most media influence or not is quite another question from that raised by the original claim made here on this thread, by Harmony at 1:58 PM, that "the church owns both the DN and the Trib. They control most of the news in UT, through KSL radio and tv, the DN, and the Trib."

If somewhat more than 96% of the radio stations in the Salt Lake City market are not owned by the Church, and the Salt Lake Tribune is not owned by the Church, and numerous regional newspapers in Utah are not owned by the Church, that claim becomes somewhat problematic.

KSL Radio and TV are tops is their markets, due primarily to the high concentration of LDS.

I doubt that membership in the Church has much to do with whether somebody listens to KSL-Radio and watches KSL-TV or not. I know I virtually never do, and there is very little that is peculiarly LDS about them, except at conference time. As you yourself note, the non-LDS-owned Tribune has a larger subscribership than does the Church-owned Deseret Morning News.

Ironically, the SL Tribune is larger than the Deseret News. There are many active LDS who will not subscribe to the Deseret News.

Quite.

The SL Tribune has taken a much softer approach with the LDS church since the purchase by Dean Singleton who, as I understand it, is sympathetic in some respects to the church.

I've heard that. I don't know whether or not it's true. The Tribune was launched as, essentially, the voice of the non-Mormon community in Utah, and it has long been antagonistic to the Church. It's probably not a bad thing if the paper has gotten beyond obituaries like "The only decent thing Brigham Young ever did was to die."

[_harmony]

Muzzle Peggy Stack? I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I don't know Peggy Stack from a hole in the wall.

I can walk and chew gum -- and respond to more than one poster -- at the same time. Hint: I'm not the one here who first mentioned Peggy Fletcher Stack.

Neither am I. Try to keep us straight. I realize we all look alike to you, but try to remember that I'm the one with the white hair. (we don't know what color hair our friend has).

As for the ownership thing... if it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, molts like a duck... it's not a pig, Daniel.

No matter how much you quack and oink, the fact remains that the Salt Lake Tribune is not owned by the Church.

Perhaps not, but this is what wiki says:

The Deseret Morning News is a newspaper published in Salt Lake City, Utah, and is Utah's oldest continually published daily newspaper. It has the second largest daily circulation in the state behind The Salt Lake Tribune. The Deseret Morning News is owned by Deseret News Publishing Company, a subsidiary of Deseret Management Corporation, which is a for-profit business holdings company owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (widely known as the Mormon or LDS Church).

The newspaper is published by Newspaper Agency Corporation, which it co-owns with the Tribune under a joint operating agreement.

Duck duck duck.

Red herring alert. Why would it matter if they were practicing or not? And why would you bring that up? Does an individual reporter's private religious thoughts have any bearing on this discussion?

We're talking about control of the flow of information. Presumably, such control would be easier for the Church to effect by means of reporters who were active and committed members than through reporters who are non-members, inactive members, disaffected members, or ex-members.

Actually, we're talking about the ownership, not the reporters. But I can see where you'd be confused.

I have no idea who Tom Barberi is or what KALL talk show is all about. Oh wait. He's been around SLCentral for over 30 years, hosting talk radio shows, so maybe he actually knows what he's talking about?

Tom Barberi is a well-known non-Mormon radio personality in Salt Lake City who is a frequent critic of Mormonism and of the Church and whose successful career in Utah over three decades illustrates nicely the problematic character of your assertions on this thread and the exaggerated nature of his own claim.

Thank you for mentioning him.

Well, he obviously doesn't agree with your assessment of the situation. Perhaps that is to be expected though.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Try to keep us straight.

I never had you confused.

No. Wait a minute. Let me rephrase that: I may have had you confused, but I was never confused.

The newspaper is published by Newspaper Agency Corporation, which it co-owns with the Tribune under a joint operating agreement.

From the Newspaper Agency Corporation website:

About The NAC
The Newspaper Agency Corporation was formed in 1952 to merge the advertising, printing, circulation and business functions of the two Salt Lake newspapers. What was first done with typewriters, red pens and "hot metal" type is now achieved with state-of-the-art computers and four-color offset printing. The NAC's printing plant underwent a multi-million-dollar renovation in the late 1980s to ensure the finest reproduction for readers and advertisers. Ensuring that clients meet their advertising objectives remains the first goal of agency employees. Whether the client requests market research, unique advertisement production or a brainstorming session on the year ahead, NAC professionals stand ready to help, realizing their success is dependent on the success of the Salt Lake newspapers' clients.

About the Newspapers
The operation of the Salt Lake newspapers is divided between three companies in a joint operating agreement. The two newspapers remain fiercely competitive and editorially independent, but their advertising, printing, circulation and business functions are managed by a third company, the Newspaper Agency Corporation. This arrangement gives readers the variety of two perspectives on the news, while giving advertisers maximum penetration into the growing Salt Lake market. [emphasis mine]

You alleged that that Church controls the flow of information in Utah. It doesn't save your false claim in any way for you to point out that both the Deseret Morning News and the Salt Lake Tribune have contracted their printing and business functions -- but not their editorial functions -- out to a third company that doesn't appear to be owned by the Church.

Actually, we're talking about the ownership, not the reporters.

You made a false statement about ownership in order to support your false position regarding alleged Church control of the news. I revealed your statement about ownership to be false, and then supplied another fact that further weakens your claim about alleged Church control of the news.

This dog don't hunt, Harmony.