LSD Heightened Spiritual Experiences/Truth?

[_barrelomonkeys]

My comments are personal experience seen from a substantial distance in time. Started college with Jimi, are you experienced, shooting rainbows over the campus.

LSD in small dose creates highten perseption and seeing relations differently. A somewhat lager dose will generate very real hullicinations.

If one was aware of God then that would be part of your understanding that could become a part of your experience on LSD. I do not see that God would have to make any special allowance for that to be. On the other hand people might experience their idea of god. Or it is possible that people might connect the word god to a perceptual vantage point where things are interconnected.(or some variety of that)

One interesting observation is that one can learn that what we experience in sober daily awareness is a construct of our imagination which our mind works hard to match up to the sense data our eyes ears and touch are giving us. We do not see reality but a movie we are creating. Naturally this process is ordered enough and virtually involuntary that we believe we are seeing things directly. The realization might make a person cautious about accepting the testimony of visions at face value. Any vision might be a construct of the imagination.

Thanks for your insight and comments. You really are not old! Sorry I said that.

The part I bolded is a bit of why I believe I'm such a skeptic now.

[_Nephi]

We do not see reality but a movie we are creating. Naturally this process is ordered enough and virtually involuntary that we believe we are seeing things directly. The realization might make a person cautious about accepting the testimony of visions at face value. Any vision might be a construct of the imagination.

The part I bolded is a bit of why I believe I'm such a skeptic now.

Buddhism says that none of this is real, but merely a figment of your desire to exist. A lot of what it teaches is true, and the jury is still out for me on if reality is real or not (call it samsara if you are a Buddhist). My hesitation with Buddhism is that it paints a picture of a world in which no body wants, like the whole thing is evil.

Its something I hate about some of the talks given by the General Authority and most Christian Churches - the world is bad, and if you pray hard enough, ignore the world around you, and be good, Christ will come and it will all be okay. Its like they are just sitting waiting, not doing anything to help it. This feeling of, "the world is bad, but I am not of this world, so I am just gonna sit here and wait..." Not exactly...

[_huckelberry]

Nephi speaks of Christian churchs characterizing the world as bad and to be ignored.

It is a good idea to walk out of any church proposing that. Do something interesting

There actually are quite a few Christian churchs where such an idea is quite foreign. In fact to my,inevitable limited, experience the idea is far more popular as a characterization of Christian in some nonChristian circles than in churches. However one might find churches teaching this. Walk out.

My own comment about what we experience being a creation of our mind was not intended to mean that there is not a reality which we are interpreting. I feel quite sure there is. Our knowledge of it goes through a biological processing involving our understanding.

[_amantha]

Nephi,

I am interested in having experiences like yours for spiritual purposes. I don't, however, know how to go about finding an appropriate place to have these experiences.

I have researched online and discovered several retreats in South America which offer the Ayahuasca brew in a shamanic setting, but I haven't done that yet. And I would rather safely experiment here in the states but there is some risk.

For those of us who would like to pursue these experiences, maybe you could provide some suggestions.


Thanks.

[_Nephi]

Nephi,

I am interested in having experiences like yours for spiritual purposes. I don't, however, know how to go about finding an appropriate place to have these experiences.

I have researched online and discovered several retreats in South America which offer the Ayahuasca brew in a shamanic setting, but I haven't done that yet. And I would rather safely experiment here in the states but there is some risk.

For those of us who would like to pursue these experiences, maybe you could provide some suggestions.


Thanks.

More important than the place is (especially the first few times you do it) is a spirit guide - someone you trust who can be your anchor to reality. As you do these more often, then there becomes a point where you don't need a person to be a spirit guide, but it is still a good idea to have a reality anchor. The spirit guide (your first time) should remain sober (ie, not tripping), and should be someone who supports your desire and reasons for doing this (so you don't have a "bad trip" because you feel guilty).

Aside from this, to select a place, I honestly select nature, camping. Even better, if you are familiar with anyone who goes to gatherings (not a rainbow gathering, but a "pagan" gathering), I would go there. There is a ton of raw spiritual energy at night there. My wife and I used to go to them. Imagine a bon fire with flames 3 stories tall. Just to dance around the fire took about 5 minutes. Two separate drum circles were happening on opposite sides of the fire just because you couldn't hear the one from the other. All this raw spirituality really helps to add to the whole experience.

Otherwise, maybe go camping?

[_Gazelam]

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[_Lucretia MacEvil]

God put all the plants and animals on earth for us to use, including marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms (among others). LSD may be man made, but causes the same effects, whether or not God put it here directly. God also tells us to use all things in wise and honest reasons, and in moderation. Are they distractions? Maybe, but not for everyone. Had I not taken the trips I had taken before, I seriously doubt I would have the concepts I have today about spirituality, nor would I have the ability to process symbols as I do now.

Oh, I don't doubt that, the concepts and abilities you have today are drug induced. And where does it all get you? You're a Mormon. Nuff said.

If you were a follower of Majarantha instead, you could achieve enlightenment by sticking your tongue up into your nasal cavity, but I don't want to give you any ideas. You seem kind of impressionable.

[_Mercury]

Paging Bryan Inks...Bryan Inks please report to this thread.

[_barrelomonkeys]

If you were a follower of Majarantha instead, you could achieve enlightenment by sticking your tongue up into your nasal cavity, but I don't want to give you any ideas. You seem kind of impressionable.

[_Nephi]

God put all the plants and animals on earth for us to use, including marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms (among others). LSD may be man made, but causes the same effects, whether or not God put it here directly. God also tells us to use all things in wise and honest reasons, and in moderation. Are they distractions? Maybe, but not for everyone. Had I not taken the trips I had taken before, I seriously doubt I would have the concepts I have today about spirituality, nor would I have the ability to process symbols as I do now.

Oh, I don't doubt that, the concepts and abilities you have today are drug induced. And where does it all get you? You're a Mormon. Nuff said.

If you were a follower of Majarantha instead, you could achieve enlightenment by sticking your tongue up into your nasal cavity, but I don't want to give you any ideas. You seem kind of impressionable.

If you say so, chief. And I know of the meditational technique you speak of. I love how when people expose their thoughts, the best of them defeat their ideas by trying to talk down to them. gg