More Excommunications

[_guy sajer]

Why should he expect otherwise? LDS doctrine is that it is the only true and God-authorized Church on the face of the earth. Your friend's personal revelation contradicts what God has said to the world through His authorized servants. Therefore his personal revelation is false.

By this logic, all your absurd hand-waving attempts to shoehorn Evolution into LDS doctrine and teaching is demonstrably false. You can easily counter this by providing doctrinal sources where the church teaches what you've been offering up as ways in which evolution and LDS doctrine can be harmonized. I bet you can't.

Oh, and ROFL at you over Harry Reid. I've never seen anywhere where Harry Reid says that homosexuality is a great idea and people really ought to consider it as a possible lifestyle choice. All I've ever seen Harry Reid do is fight to get religious fanatics like you off homosexuals' backs. You should stop oppressing gays, and you should stop advocating the oppression of gay people. It just may be that there's more to this whole gay thing than you or I know about or understand, and if there is a God, and an afterlife, you may well be held to account for how you supported sticking it to so many of his children. If there isn't a God, and no afterlife, then you're just being an asshole to a bunch of your fellow humans.

So bcspace is a homophobe as well. That certainly helps explain his reliance on a homophobic fudie proctologist's polemic masquerading as "scientific research" (cough cough) as serious evidence for anything.

Oh, and bcspace quotes scripture too. Wow, that makes him pretty nigh irrefutable. Think I'll start citing a work of historical fiction to back up my biggoted beliefs too. Wait a sec, does that count as good or lazy research?

[_bcspace]

So bcspace is a homophobe as well.

Nothing like a little acid to counter the soporific on the PC thug's blade.

That certainly helps explain his reliance on a homophobic fudie proctologist's polemic masquerading as "scientific research" (cough cough) as serious evidence for anything.

CFR. Notice also that all your side had to counter it was the opinion of a gay activist who was not even a doctor. In addition, I gave dozens of other more scientific references which you ignored. Just goes to show that you can't stand the withering heat of science.

Oh, and bcspace quotes scripture too. Wow, that makes him pretty nigh irrefutable. Think I'll start citing a work of historical fiction to back up my biggoted beliefs too. Wait a sec, does that count as good or lazy research?

Suprised that in a board about Mormonism scriptures would be quoted? Get with the program.

[_karl61]

Since Joseph Smith was going to restore all things including old testament polygamy why didn't he bring back stoning for adultery or homosexuality. The old testament is LDS scritpure.

[_bcspace]

Since Joseph Smith was going to restore all things including old testament polygamy why didn't he bring back stoning for adultery or homosexuality. The old testament is LDS scritpure.

Stoning for adultery is part of the law of Moses, which though it is a subset of the gospel, has been superceeded by the rest of the gospel which has been restored. Think Sermon on the Mount for a higher more difficult (in some respects) law. For example, it is now also bad to lust in our hearts or merely hate our brother as opposed to committing adultery or murder.

Plural marriage on the other hand is not considered to be a superceeded part of the law of Moses because it was extant before the Law of Moses was given. Abraham for example.

[_guy sajer]

So bcspace is a homophobe as well.

Nothing like a little acid to counter the soporific on the PC thug's blade.

Nothing like a little truth to make clear one's petty biggotry.

That certainly helps explain his reliance on a homophobic fudie proctologist's polemic masquerading as "scientific research" (cough cough) as serious evidence for anything.

CFR. Notice also that all your side had to counter it was the opinion of a gay activist who was not even a doctor. In addition, I gave dozens of other more scientific references which you ignored. Just goes to show that you can't stand the withering heat of science.

I don't have a side in the debate. Empirical questions are not a matter of ideology but evidence.

Withering heat of science? Oh God, that's rich coming from someone who actually believes that in an ancient Lehite civilization that forged steel, bred horses, rode elephants, etc., all in direct contravention of scientific evidence.

Oh, and bcspace quotes scripture too. Wow, that makes him pretty nigh irrefutable. Think I'll start citing a work of historical fiction to back up my biggoted beliefs too. Wait a sec, does that count as good or lazy research?

Suprised that in a board about Mormonism scriptures would be quoted? Get with the program.

No, not suprised at all. I expect it from people of limited reasoning ability who can't form arguments that stand on their own merits.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Plural marriage on the other hand is not considered to be a superceeded part of the law of Moses because it was extant before the Law of Moses was given. Abraham for example.

Hey, so was circumcision! I wonder if Hinckley is going to bring that back as a part of the restored gospel? I bet that would effectively end the conversion of all uncircumcised males. Ouch!

KA

[_karl61]

Since Joseph Smith was going to restore all things including old testament polygamy why didn't he bring back stoning for adultery or homosexuality. The old testament is LDS scritpure.

Stoning for adultery is part of the law of Moses, which though it is a subset of the gospel, has been superceeded by the rest of the gospel which has been restored. Think Sermon on the Mount for a higher more difficult (in some respects) law. For example, it is now also bad to lust in our hearts or merely hate our brother as opposed to committing adultery or murder.

Plural marriage on the other hand is not considered to be a superceeded part of the law of Moses because it was extant before the Law of Moses was given. Abraham for example.

what sins would you say are worthy of death. Is it all or nothing. You either get death or walk. Here, today, if you don't get death you could still get life.

[_Sethbag]

So was animal sacrifice. That dates all the way back to Adam, if you believe the myths. So, not having been superceded as part of the Law of Moses, why aren't we sacrificing animals today?

Anyhow, I'm enjoying, in a morbid "trainwreck" curiosity sort of way, watching BCSpace really come out of his shell and reveal his true colors in these recent threads. I would not have guessed that he was such a homophobic bigot, and nearly so blinded in regards to science and LDS as he is. And ROFL at BCSpace's claim that all my arguments have been effectively shot down. That's too funny. Only in your dreams, BCSpace, have your arguments so much as even dented mine. I've got reality and mountains of evidence behind my arguments, and all you've got is your own head, and your need for the LDS church to be true. You can't even show how the LDS church even acknowledges your particular attempts at reconciliation between science and LDS doctrine, much less profess belief in them. You truly profess to be LDS, but believe in the Gospel of BCSpace.

[_bcspace]

So bcspace is a homophobe as well.

Nothing like a little acid to counter the soporific on the PC thug's blade.

Nothing like a little truth to make clear one's petty biggotry.

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That is exactly how you've been exposed.

Withering heat of science? Oh God, that's rich coming from someone who actually believes that in an ancient Lehite civilization that forged steel, bred horses, rode elephants, etc., all in direct contravention of scientific evidence.

The steel argument has been well answered.
Tarski's going to get back with me on some horse references after he consults with an 'anthropologist friend' (probably imaginary) though I doubt he has the gumption to do it.
Useful = rode? Lazy lazy.

Remember the example of Troy? It's already come back to haunt antiMormons on many of those issues already.

Suprised that in a board about Mormonism scriptures would be quoted? Get with the program.

No, not suprised at all. I expect it from people of limited reasoning ability who can't form arguments that stand on their own merits.

Which means he was suprised after all as people with limited reasoning ability don't come here anyway do they? lol

[_bcspace]

So was animal sacrifice. That dates all the way back to Adam, if you believe the myths. So, not having been superceded as part of the Law of Moses, why aren't we sacrificing animals today?

An excellent question. The law of sacrifice preChrist was in looking forward to his sacrifice. Now that he has come and the sacrifice has been made, we instead partake of the sacrament and offer up a broken heart and contrite spirit.

Anyhow, I'm enjoying, in a morbid "trainwreck" curiosity sort of way, watching BCSpace really come out of his shell and reveal his true colors in these recent threads. I would not have guessed that he was such a homophobic bigot, and nearly so blinded in regards to science and LDS as he is.

It was always known that anyone who takes a stand against the homosexual lifestyle choice will be labled a bigot so there is no suprise here. This shows the left-wing hypocrisy in that they accept all views as long as they don't conflict with their own.

And ROFL at BCSpace's claim that all my arguments have been effectively shot down. That's too funny. Only in your dreams, BCSpace, have your arguments so much as even dented mine.

The proof is in your very high invective to scholarship ratio.

I've got reality and mountains of evidence behind my arguments, and all you've got is your own head, and your need for the LDS church to be true.

CFR

You can't even show how the LDS church even acknowledges your particular attempts at reconciliation between science and LDS doctrine, much less profess belief in them.

You can't even show how my 'reconciliation' contradicts nor can you show the need that the LDS Church must so acknowledge. A striking amount of ignorance of LDS doctrine for one who claims so much.

You truly profess to be LDS, but believe in the Gospel of BCSpace.

I have expressed no position contrary to the LDS Church except for the need to ex Harry Reid (and the like) and the basing of the MX missile in Utah in the 80's. Otherwise, I am spot on.