Religious exception to laws
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how about if congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere opinion, but was left free to reach actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order?
would that make a good "precendent", as it were?
would that make a good "precendent", as it were?
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Brad Hudson wrote:harmony wrote:So we're good with the first half and not so good with the second? That's pretty typical for the government.
Not sure what you mean. I think we do pretty well on both issues.
What's good for the goose, etc...
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harmony wrote:What's good for the goose, etc...
What goose and what gander? I'm really not understanding what you are saying.
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Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate against Gays and Lesbians for reasons of religious belief?
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/washing ... imination/
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/washing ... imination/
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palerobber wrote:how about if congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere opinion, but was left free to reach actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order?
would that make a good "precendent", as it were?
I'm not sure. It seems like it's all opinions to me.
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lulu wrote:Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate against Gays and Lesbians for reasons of religious belief?
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/washing ... imination/
Nice twist on the OP. Pitting two of the most dearly held values when it comes to our society: free exercise of religion and no invalid discrimination.
Given American jurisprudence, it might depend on what business he runs? A bus or charter flight company? Hotel? Restaurant? As an emerging protected class, I could see the courts holding that he could not so discriminate.
What if a TBM owns a radio station and has an FCC license to do so. Can he keep an avowed wiccan off of the air on his frequency, for which the wiccan otherwise qualifies?
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lulu wrote:Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate against Gays and Lesbians for reasons of religious belief?
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/washing ... imination/
Me, I don't think so. Of course, I also believe private businesses owned by gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against religious bigots.
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sock puppet wrote:lulu wrote:Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate against Gays and Lesbians for reasons of religious belief?
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/washing ... imination/
Nice twist on the OP. Pitting two of the most dearly held values when it comes to our society: free exercise of religion and no invalid discrimination.
Given American jurisprudence, it might depend on what business he runs? A bus or charter flight company? Hotel? Restaurant? As an emerging protected class, I could see the courts holding that he could not so discriminate.
What if a TBM owns a radio station and has an FCC license to do so. Can he keep an avowed wiccan off of the air on his frequency, for which the wiccan otherwise qualifies?
Are we talking cans or shoulds? I get confused.
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Re: Religious exception to laws
Small businesses can fire anyone they want for any reason if they are a non-union employee. Most businesses with any sense would just put down they could no longer afford to keep the employee due to a downturn in business or some other business related reason. The real reason can be they don't like their religion, their sexual orientation, or whatever. That is nearly impossible to prove unless the business owner is foolish enough to put that down as the cause (or do something equally as stupid as writing it in an e-mail, etc). So, no exception is required. If you want to discriminate within a business, nothing can really stop you.
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Re: Religious exception to laws
sock puppet wrote:lulu wrote:Should private businesses be allowed to discriminate against Gays and Lesbians for reasons of religious belief?
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/26/washing ... imination/
Nice twist on the OP. Pitting two of the most dearly held values when it comes to our society: free exercise of religion and no invalid discrimination.
Given American jurisprudence, it might depend on what business he runs? A bus or charter flight company? Hotel? Restaurant? As an emerging protected class, I could see the courts holding that he could not so discriminate.
What if a TBM owns a radio station and has an FCC license to do so. Can he keep an avowed wiccan off of the air on his frequency, for which the wiccan otherwise qualifies?
Yep. Unfortunately, it's not a black and white issue.
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