Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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I don't know of any children who are being given surgery. To me this statement is kinda like saying planned parenthood should stop their underground black market selling of baby parts.

The blocking of puberty can be very important for the treatment of some tans children as puberty can be very traumatic for them. I'm going to trust the medical professional and parents of the child over anything. It has to be remembered that this group is high risk for suicide.
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just me wrote:I don't know of any children who are being given surgery. To me this statement is kinda like saying planned parenthood should stop their underground black market selling of baby parts.

The blocking of puberty can be very important for the treatment of some tans children as puberty can be very traumatic for them. I'm going to trust the medical professional and parents of the child over anything. It has to be remembered that this group is high risk for suicide.


I have to admit that I'm well out of my depth on this, for the simple fact that I'm not a physician. I tend to think, based on what you said above regarding suicide that mental health interventions might be the more appropriate route to take rather than medical interventions.

As you noted, the risk for suicide is high in trans children, however, I do think we need to consider what we're setting them up for in the future medically.

Do we really know?
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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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Questions...

1. Do we know what the criteria is for gender reassignment surgery?
2. Is gender reassignment surgery currently prohibited for children?
3. Is the article an attempt not to open that can of worms using chemical interventions as the model for which to try to ensure that surgical interventions are never sanctioned for children?
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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Identity Harms Children"

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Sky wrote:I posted a link to http://www.mormonsandgays.org, which says that same-sex attractions, in and of themselves, are not considered a sin by the LDS Church. Only acting on them is considered a sin.

Then, I posted a link to the American Psychological Association's website on sexual orientation and gender identity:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

I pointed out that being LGBT/same-sex attracted is not considered an abnormality or pathology. I pointed out that HIV/AIDS is not something limited to only the homosexual male population. I pointed out that HIV/AIDS can't be transmitted by casual contact, so keeping AIDS patients "quarantined" does not make sense.

I also pointed to the American Red Cross website, pointing out their support for gay men to donate blood after a one-year deferral, as opposed to a lifetime ban.

http://www.redcross.org/news/press-rele ... ent-on-MSM

I also pointed out that there is evidence that "coming out" is usually beneficial for the individual:

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/01/30 ... 50989.html

So apparently Daniel C. Peterson did not like me posting this. Also noted is that he let the above comment stay, while deleting my response. These are all mainstream sources, but they seem to support a less conservative interpretation, so DCP would not have it!

It's easier for DCP to make it appear as though he's winning an argument when he has the power to and removes opposing comments that make sense, like your did. Take it as validation that DCP did not have any response or comeback he could make to your comment without realizing he'd be embarrassing himself (which takes quite a bit these days--his level for compunction is quite diminished). It's why he prefers to post on a blog that he controls, rather here in a marketplace of ideas, and disagreeing views remain posted.
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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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just me wrote:I don't know of any children who are being given surgery. To me this statement is kinda like saying planned parenthood should stop their underground black market selling of baby parts.

The blocking of puberty can be very important for the treatment of some tans children as puberty can be very traumatic for them. I'm going to trust the medical professional and parents of the child over anything. It has to be remembered that this group is high risk for suicide.


I don't trust the Christian Scientists who let their child die of a simple infection because they believe prayer is more appropriate than antibiotics. I'm certainly not going to trust that parents always make wise decisions regarding the alteration of their child's sexual development. In the end it's the children, not so much the parents, who will have to live with the results.

I think the question of prevention of suicide in such children is primarily a social or psychological one. I don't have personal experience with this either, so I must attempt to wargame it in my mind to understand it.

Does the child feel compelled to suicide because they really don't like being their biological sex, or do they feel compelled to suicide because they feel like the society doesn't accept them? I don't know, and it may be different for different children. I think in either case the appropriate response is probably more psychological or societal than medical.

I wonder if there's a suicide problem with adults who had medical intervention imposed upon them by their parents in response to how the person felt as a child about their biological sex, who later in life (we all know we change a lot between 8 and 25) come to feel differently? There are men out there who bitterly resent their parents for having them circumcized as infants, so I'd imagine there's very great potential for this.
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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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Depending on how you define sexual ambiguity, up to 1 percent of all births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity.

That far exceeds the number of Mormon members claimed by the church.

In any discussions I have seen on this issue there have been responses by faithful members that there are so few of these births that we really don't need to worry about them, God will fix them in the next life. Well, maybe at the same time God will fix Mormons in the next life too since there seems to be less of them than there are those defined as intersex.

If BKP were alive today he would probably be saying
"Why would God do that to anyone?"

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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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Jersey Girl wrote:Questions...

1. Do we know what the criteria is for gender reassignment surgery?
2. Is gender reassignment surgery currently prohibited for children?
3. Is the article an attempt not to open that can of worms using chemical interventions as the model for which to try to ensure that surgical interventions are never sanctioned for children?

1. I don't know.
2. I don't know, and certainly hope so.
3. I don't know, but even assuming that they mean chemical intervention for its own sake and not as part of some slippery slope argument, I think there's a valid point here.

Check this story from PBS out. It discusses the drug intervention to prevent puberty in transgender children. Apparently this really is a thing.
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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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As others have pointed out, the ACP is NOT the official professional organization of pediatricians, though it masquerades as such. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is the actual body of organized pediatric medical professionals.

Distributing the nonsense published by the ACP as though it had any recognized medical professional standing is disgraceful.
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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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How does Dr. Peterson feel about either Bubba or Captain Ephraim bullying a transgendered kid in the men's restroom?
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Re: Daniel Peterson: "Gender Ideology Harms Children"

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Here's a good article about treating transitioning children.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/artic ... d-unknown/

Puberty blockers are started around age 10-12. This pauses things and gives the child time to decide if transitioning is right for them. They used to not start cross-sex hormones until 16, but they are starting as young as 13 in some cases, it sounds like.
There are some risks that are known and there are unknowns. We don't really have any 50-70 year studies of people who started taking sex hormones in their teens.

That was my take away.
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