LDS Church urges members to call out racism in their congregations

[Morley]

Marcus? Problems with this? If so, make corrections. I'm happy to have anything that is untrue brought to the forefront.

Yeah. You dishonestly left out the part where your A.I. said that the Church has removed racist language.

[Moksha]

Wonder what would happen if members called out the racism inherent in Mormon scriptures.

Some scholars/apologists have. Also, I think that most well read members would admit and/or support the fact that Nephi had some hard/hurt feelings towards his brothers Laman and Lemuel.

My guess is that translated into a form of racism/division between the Nephites and the Lamanites.

Regards,
MG

More likely that Joseph included this imaginary tale of being cursed with black skin as part of the racism of his day. Christians at that time were struggling to justify their support of slavery.

Tales of God sanctioned theft and murder and racist skin curses do not pass muster no matter whether these "well read" members have progressed through the entire Dick and Jane series.

[huckelberry]

Without racism people in the society get along with each other much better which makes for a more happy and prosperous Society. Some people think that's a good thing.

But there are other people who just prefer there to be somebody to kick around.

Is that objectively "wrong"?

Bill, I think my statement was objective it described real things . I think it was also correct what do you mean by objectively wrong?

[I Have Questions]

Do you have any links or references on that?

Sure!

Armand Mauss
Adam Oliver Stokes
John Tvedtnes
Neil Rappleye

The thing to remember is that all is not racism in the Book of Mormon:

Could the Nephites have been racist in their views of the Lamanites? Perhaps, in the same sense that the biblical patriarchs were racist when it came to their pagan neighbors, the Hittites, the Canaanites, and the Amorites, and did not want their offspring to marry these unbelievers. But once the Lamanites had been converted to the Nephite religion, the barriers separating these people dissolved. Even before they were converted, the Nephites considered the Lamanites to be “brethren,” a term used more than fifty times in reference to the Lamanites in the Book of Mormon. This is hardly a term that one would expect to find in a society that holds racist views of a neighboring people. And if Joseph Smith’s racism is reflected in the Book of Mormon, why does that volume have large numbers of Lamanites becoming good guys and, indeed, more righteous than the Nephites in the decades before Christ’s appearance?

John Tvedtnes and Neil Rappleye take the perspective of what is explained in the above paragraph.

I know you have a certain picture you're trying to paint. You're not the first one.

IHQ, my guess is that there are a number of folks, lurkers included, that have noticed that you ask a lot of questions but rarely, if ever, engage with questions and challenges from believers.

That says something.

I think I've spent enough time with you on this thread for now. I will check back later to see if you engaged in my thought experiment on the other thread.

Regards,
MG

Two questions this time. 1. In what way is that quote “calling out Book of Mormon racism”? 2. Who are you quoting (had you posted a link to your source I’d be able to find that out for myself. But you didn’t. One wonders why…)?

Oops, I have another question. Why hasn’t the Church “called out” the racism in The Book of Mormon?

[Moksha]

The events in the Mormon story set the stage for over 130 years of blatant LDS racism, and that racism remains in the Book of Mormon.

[bill4long]

The one's doing the "kicking around" affirm it.

Is it "wrong" for a lion to eat a gazelle? I would think the gazelle would think so. The lion thinks otherwise.

How is it different with humans?

The lion has to in order to not die.

Will a racist die if he or she doesn’t engage in racism?

Too vague of a question. Depends on the situation. Like it or not, humans are tribal, and race is one of the default delineations when push comes to shove. At any rate, you seem to affirm that self-preservation is justification for subuing others. Where did you get the idea ("value") that "in order to not die" is a moral demaration? Why isn't mere convenience a moral demarcation?

[Dr. Shades]

The lion has to in order to not die.

Will a racist die if he or she doesn’t engage in racism?

Too vague of a question. Depends on the situation. Like it or not, humans are tribal, and race is one of the default delineations when push comes to shove. At any rate, you seem to affirm that self-preservation is justification for subuing others. Where did you get the idea ("value") that "in order to not die" is a moral demaration? Why isn't mere convenience a moral demarcation?

Why do we have laws, bill4long?

[MG 2.0]

Who are you quoting (had you posted a link to your source I’d be able to find that out for myself.

I slipped up on providing the resource this time around. Sorry about that.

Here it is:
https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/con ... -of-Mormon

As for your continued questions, like I said, I'm becoming a bit weary of the 'special status' you've placed on yourself in asking questions but then unable or unwilling to answer questions asked of you. It needs to be a reciprocal agreement from now on.

I'm not your answer man.

I think the reason you're either unwilling or unable to participate in my thought experiment is that you are afraid of where it might take/lead you.

Regards,
MG

[bill4long]

Too vague of a question. Depends on the situation. Like it or not, humans are tribal, and race is one of the default delineations when push comes to shove. At any rate, you seem to affirm that self-preservation is justification for subuing others. Where did you get the idea ("value") that "in order to not die" is a moral demaration? Why isn't mere convenience a moral demarcation?

Why do we have laws, bill4long?

To govern human behavior. Are all laws moral and just in your view? Today nine states plus DC allow the termination of a viable fetus at any point in gestation. Is this a moral and just law in your view?

Back to the questions: where did you get the idea ("value") that "in order to not die" is a moral demaration? Why isn't mere convenience or a simple benefit a moral demarcation?

[Dr. Shades]

Why do we have laws, bill4long?

To govern human behavior. Are all laws moral and just in your view? Today nine states plus DC allow the termination of a viable fetus at any point in gestation. Is this a moral and just law in your view?

Back to the questions: where did you get the idea ("value") that "in order to not die" is a moral demaration? Why isn't mere convenience or a simple benefit a moral demarcation?

Good question. You tell me.