Light the World

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Re: Light the World

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Marcus wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:22 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:16 pm
...something that is so obviously good...
Obviously???? Mental gymnasts resorting to mental gymnastics, once again.
Makes me wonder how church leaders might counsel members from giving to charitable organizations that don't measure up to their moral standards. What if LGBTQ organizations were to promote rainbow giving machines for the needy?
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Shulem wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:56 pm
Marcus wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:22 pm

Obviously???? Mental gymnasts resorting to mental gymnastics, once again.

Makes me wonder how church leaders might counsel members from giving to charitable organizations that don't measure up to their moral standards. What if LGBTQ organizations were to promote rainbow giving machines for the needy?
We still don’t know who profits from manufacturing, installing and deinstalling the machines. The Church is paying the bill for all that, but who are they paying and how much are they paying?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: Light the World

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Dec 01, 2025 9:20 pm
Another thing that is kind of cool about Light the World is that 100% of Light the World donations reach the partnering charities or recipients, as the Church covers all its operational costs.​
Can you show me the financial accounts to prove this? We already know the Church will go to great lengths to avoid financial disclosure. Even creating a complex web of shell companies to nefariously avoiding making required disclosures. So come on, show us the accounting to support your assertion.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 11:46 pm
Shulem wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:56 pm
Makes me wonder how church leaders might counsel members from giving to charitable organizations that don't measure up to their moral standards. What if LGBTQ organizations were to promote rainbow giving machines for the needy?
We still don’t know who profits from manufacturing, installing and deinstalling the machines. The Church is paying the bill for all that, but who are they paying and how much are they paying?
Contractors who are related to the brethren are being paid -- you can be sure of that. That's who.
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Re: Light the World

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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 11:53 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Dec 01, 2025 9:20 pm
Another thing that is kind of cool about Light the World is that 100% of Light the World donations reach the partnering charities or recipients, as the Church covers all its operational costs.​
Can you show me the financial accounts to prove this? We already know the Church will go to great lengths to avoid financial disclosure. Even creating a complex web of shell companies to nefariously avoiding making required disclosures. So come on, show us the accounting to support your assertion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a king's name is given in the characters above his head.

I don't believe a damn thing the church has to say.
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A caveat…
Occasionally the nonprofit may need to make an item substitution to meet unexpected needs. When this occurs, replacement products or services stay in the same category as the original donation.
This wording resembles the Church donation slip wording that says, basically, no matter what you want your donation to go towards the Church can use it for whatever it wants to.

Give to charity. Give generously. But do so through more transparent and less self serving programmes than the Church’s giving machine pr stunt.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I don’t think ex-Mormons would be so critical of the church’s financial decisions if the church didn’t itself preach that members should give even if it hurts.

The church tells members to give before feeding their families. To give before any other consideration. And yet the church itself is unwilling to donate 10 percent of its increase each year to charity.

It seems the church does not trust God to provide. It acts afraid, as if it might disappear unless it hoards money without end.

That is the very definition of hypocrisy. And no amount of Mormon handwaving can dismiss it.
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Re: Light the World

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drumdude wrote:
Thu Dec 04, 2025 1:56 am
I don’t think ex-Mormons would be so critical of the church’s financial decisions if the church didn’t itself preach that members should give even if it hurts.

The church tells members to give before feeding their families. To give before any other consideration. And yet the church itself is unwilling to donate 10 percent of its increase each year to charity.

It seems the church does not trust God to provide. It acts afraid, as if it might disappear unless it hoards money without end.

That is the very definition of hypocrisy. And no amount of Mormon handwaving can dismiss it.
Light the World is purely voluntary. As can be seen, it has done a lot of good. End of story. Well, not quite. There is the 2025 Light the World going on as we speak...and as some here bitch about it.

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Re: Light the World

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Dec 04, 2025 4:28 am
Light the World is purely voluntary. As can be seen, it has done a lot of good. End of story. Well, not quite. There is the 2025 Light the World going on as we speak...and as some here bitch about it....
And a third thread where the mentalgymnast's resolve has failed him:
Marcus wrote:
Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:20 pm
After a big to-do where he insisted he doesn't treat others badly or differently, nor does he disrespect others' beliefs, the mentalgymnast is back to his standard passive-aggressive stereotypical putdowns of people who believe differently than he does.

No surprise there.
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Re: Light the World

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Dec 04, 2025 4:28 am
drumdude wrote:
Thu Dec 04, 2025 1:56 am
I don’t think ex-Mormons would be so critical of the church’s financial decisions if the church didn’t itself preach that members should give even if it hurts.

The church tells members to give before feeding their families. To give before any other consideration. And yet the church itself is unwilling to donate 10 percent of its increase each year to charity.

It seems the church does not trust God to provide. It acts afraid, as if it might disappear unless it hoards money without end.

That is the very definition of hypocrisy. And no amount of Mormon handwaving can dismiss it.
Light the World is purely voluntary. As can be seen, it has done a lot of good. End of story. Well, not quite. There is the 2025 Light the World going on as we speak...and as some here bitch about it.

Regards,
MG
Light the World has done nothing except harvest some donations that would have been made anyway, in order to take the credit for them.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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