Makes me wonder how church leaders might counsel members from giving to charitable organizations that don't measure up to their moral standards. What if LGBTQ organizations were to promote rainbow giving machines for the needy?
Light the World
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We still don’t know who profits from manufacturing, installing and deinstalling the machines. The Church is paying the bill for all that, but who are they paying and how much are they paying?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Can you show me the financial accounts to prove this? We already know the Church will go to great lengths to avoid financial disclosure. Even creating a complex web of shell companies to nefariously avoiding making required disclosures. So come on, show us the accounting to support your assertion.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Contractors who are related to the brethren are being paid -- you can be sure of that. That's who.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 11:46 pmWe still don’t know who profits from manufacturing, installing and deinstalling the machines. The Church is paying the bill for all that, but who are they paying and how much are they paying?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a king's name is given in the characters above his head.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 11:53 pmCan you show me the financial accounts to prove this? We already know the Church will go to great lengths to avoid financial disclosure. Even creating a complex web of shell companies to nefariously avoiding making required disclosures. So come on, show us the accounting to support your assertion.
I don't believe a damn thing the church has to say.
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A caveat…
Give to charity. Give generously. But do so through more transparent and less self serving programmes than the Church’s giving machine pr stunt.
This wording resembles the Church donation slip wording that says, basically, no matter what you want your donation to go towards the Church can use it for whatever it wants to.Occasionally the nonprofit may need to make an item substitution to meet unexpected needs. When this occurs, replacement products or services stay in the same category as the original donation.
Give to charity. Give generously. But do so through more transparent and less self serving programmes than the Church’s giving machine pr stunt.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I don’t think ex-Mormons would be so critical of the church’s financial decisions if the church didn’t itself preach that members should give even if it hurts.
The church tells members to give before feeding their families. To give before any other consideration. And yet the church itself is unwilling to donate 10 percent of its increase each year to charity.
It seems the church does not trust God to provide. It acts afraid, as if it might disappear unless it hoards money without end.
That is the very definition of hypocrisy. And no amount of Mormon handwaving can dismiss it.
The church tells members to give before feeding their families. To give before any other consideration. And yet the church itself is unwilling to donate 10 percent of its increase each year to charity.
It seems the church does not trust God to provide. It acts afraid, as if it might disappear unless it hoards money without end.
That is the very definition of hypocrisy. And no amount of Mormon handwaving can dismiss it.
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Light the World is purely voluntary. As can be seen, it has done a lot of good. End of story. Well, not quite. There is the 2025 Light the World going on as we speak...and as some here bitch about it.drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 1:56 amI don’t think ex-Mormons would be so critical of the church’s financial decisions if the church didn’t itself preach that members should give even if it hurts.
The church tells members to give before feeding their families. To give before any other consideration. And yet the church itself is unwilling to donate 10 percent of its increase each year to charity.
It seems the church does not trust God to provide. It acts afraid, as if it might disappear unless it hoards money without end.
That is the very definition of hypocrisy. And no amount of Mormon handwaving can dismiss it.
Regards,
MG
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And a third thread where the mentalgymnast's resolve has failed him:
Marcus wrote: ↑Wed Dec 03, 2025 9:20 pmAfter a big to-do where he insisted he doesn't treat others badly or differently, nor does he disrespect others' beliefs, the mentalgymnast is back to his standard passive-aggressive stereotypical putdowns of people who believe differently than he does.
No surprise there.
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Light the World has done nothing except harvest some donations that would have been made anyway, in order to take the credit for them.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 4:28 amLight the World is purely voluntary. As can be seen, it has done a lot of good. End of story. Well, not quite. There is the 2025 Light the World going on as we speak...and as some here bitch about it.drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 1:56 amI don’t think ex-Mormons would be so critical of the church’s financial decisions if the church didn’t itself preach that members should give even if it hurts.
The church tells members to give before feeding their families. To give before any other consideration. And yet the church itself is unwilling to donate 10 percent of its increase each year to charity.
It seems the church does not trust God to provide. It acts afraid, as if it might disappear unless it hoards money without end.
That is the very definition of hypocrisy. And no amount of Mormon handwaving can dismiss it.
Regards,
MG
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.