John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

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[_Mayan Elephant]

Mayan and Equality seem to have found the posts just as incomprehensible as the rest of us, they seem to be criticizing Mormonstories responses rather than suggesting they completely agree with the other poster. The main issues they seemed to have were;

1) Naming people's in real life identities as a way of shutting them up
2) The diagnosis of people over the internet as a way of attacking people, by someone who is preparing to go into a mental health profession.
3) The claim that using the word hystrionic and the treatment of Rosebud by other posters was mysogynistic.

that is very close.

it was not just the use of a single word. it was that specific word and the blatant undertones of calling someone glenn close. the rest of your points are probably spot on for me. the shitstorm was very predictable once that can was opened.

overall i would say that the board had no real winners again today. i don't think it was anything like the meltdown that we saw yesterday, but there are not a lot of winners. definitely some progress. but it felt a bit like pre season football.

off the boards there is a clear winner. i agree with equality. otterson is probably shaking his head wondering how some dude with such a stupid name like mayan elephant could be doing him such a favor. they know mormonstories better than any of us. they don't need to do anything. not just because he is only a publisher. but because the erratic volatility that was on display yesterday will take care of itself. that was really something. an epic display. today is still a bit of a puzzle.

by the way. racer nailed it in the other thread. i have been so busy obsessing over here, i have not been able to go chum the thread for rock slider. i will have to obsess here instead.

[_Mayan Elephant]

i have seen mormonstories go off rails a few times. nothing quite like yesterday. but he has derailed a few times.

usually there seems to be a trigger that, while true, really bothers him when his version of the story or spin is not strictly accepted by critics and sycophants alike.

this time it seems that the offensive suggestion was that he just played the media by attaching himself to kate kelly and OW, and pretending to be threatened with excommunication for months, was all just a charade. there was really nothing else said on this board. the nom creation part was dispelled and corrected before he went off the rails too.

its quite a run over the last two years. mormonstories went from meeting weekly with his stake president and making a public spectacle of it to slamming his stake president and pretending he (mormonstories) was having a church court. in the midst of all that, rosebud went on and off the mormonstories and open stories payroll. we can see the contrast from then to now with her.

we have seen the inconsistent treatment of the sycophants. they were under the bus, in the bus, out of the bus, under the bus, etc.

i assure you. with that history. and with the public tirade made yesterday, the thing i would believe most from rosebud's response is that the church leaders are hip to this cat. they have to be. otterson is especially hip to this. #batshitmormstoriesstories is going to be bednars next tweet and otterson's signature line at the washington post on faith blog.

and one line here for rock slider. i just can't stop thinking about rock slider. if you think i am obsessed with mormonstories, you should see me play chinese poker. that's obsession. just start a thread about that and i will drop this nonsense. not forever. but i will drop it.

[_Uther]

Hmm..
This thread was a rather bizarre read.

JD comes off as being pretty upset by the accusations made by some no longer anonymous posters.
There is nothing particular in what he writes that does not fall into the category of what can be expected from him based on earlier observations.
I have enjoyed MS over the years, and have benefited from that, so I am grateful to JD for his contributions.

On the part of (the Rosebud group) of the critics there are things written and patterns made in this thread, that gives off the "cray-zee" wibes on my radar.
Immense amounts of tense raw emotion crudely packed with insinuations and poorly veiled threats.

It seems that after loosing one, you went searcing for another Jesus.
Maby it is time to stop looking for superheroes, they only exist in comics and in scripture.
Real people on the other hand, tend to populate this planet.

And if your new Jesus in fact did something illegal, then this messageboard is probably not the ethical/moral/logical/correct venue.

Kind regards
Uther

[Chelovek]

Mayan Elephant wrote - among other things - :

#batshitmormstoriesstories is going to be bednars next tweet

It was very saddening to read this thread, to see our beloved members fighting amongst one another, and to watch all of you break civil law after civil law after...

I'm offended, truly offended, yea even more offended than I have ever been offended before.

Remember folks that wickedness never has been, and never will be happiness.

Think about it.


From the dusty mesa her looming shadow grows
Hidden in the branches of the poison creosote.

She twines her spines up slowly towards the boiling sun,
And when I touched her skin, my fingers ran with blood.

In the hushing dusk, under a swollen silver moon,
I came walking with the wind to watch the cactus bloom.

A strange hunger haunted me; the looming shadows danced.
I fell down to the thorny brush and felt a trembling hand.

When the last light warms the rocks and the rattlesnakes unfold,
Mountain cats will come to drag away your bones.

And rise with me forever across the silent sand,
And the stars will be your eyes and the wind will be my hands.

Be careful. Be careful. You all are playing with fire. There is a war happening.
[url]#batshitmormstoriesstories is going to be bednars next tweet[/url]

[_Spanner]

As I said before. . .

Shows how dense I am. I thought the white rattlesnake/narcissistic triangulation spiels were aimed at Rosebud.

Anyway, I think calls of misogyny for using the term "histrionic" are totally unfounded, and have simply introduced another angle of attack which, unfortunately, has been adopted enthusiastically by some. The word histrionic has nothing to do with the word hysteria and it doesn't have any gender baggage. In fact, given that only males were allowed to act on stage when the root word emerged, it would have been much more likely to apply to males rather than females if anything. JD would be well aware of the proper use/origin of the word through his work, so I think playing the misogyny card is unfounded and better left for identifying the real thing.

I am less comfortable with the bunny-boiler comparison (because of the "spurned woman" implications), but spending 2 years threatening to release career-destroying information without actually providing decent evidence of any real wrong-doing is going to attract some sort of stalker comment.

Rosebud, if you think there is some reason why you should be protecting vulnerable people from JD, you need to contact the appropriate licensing board for the state and make a formal complaint. They will take you very seriously and conduct a proper investigation. Ideally you need to do this before JD finishes and goes for registration and a clinical license. The way you are going about this is totally inappropriate if there really is a problem.

See also: http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/histrionic

histrionic
[his-tree-on-ik]
adjective, Also, histrionical
1.
of or pertaining to actors or acting.
2.
deliberately affected or self-consciously emotional; overly dramatic, in behavior or speech.

Origin
1640-50; < Late Latin histrōnicus of actors, equivalent to histriōn- (stem of histriō) actor (said to be < Etruscan) + -icus -ic

JD will be accustomed to using the word properly.

Conflating the word with hysteria and finding some dodgy site that spouts Freudian nonsense as proof of misogyny is a ploy worth of the slimiest mopologist.

[_hank rearden]

Conflating the word with hysteria and finding some dodgy site that spouts Freudian nonsense as proof of misogyny is a ploy worth of the slimiest mopologist.

Well, fair, it was only Wikipedia, but that seemed a little better source than just the etymology of the word. And I'm not sure what, exactly to do with this:

The history of Histrionic Personality Disorder stems from the word hysteria.

The footnote is there in the Wikipedia article for Histrionic Personality Disorder. Again, a mental-health professional would understand clearly what s/he is saying when using the term, even if in the fog of argument.

You ignore several centuries of troublesome guilt-by-association of both hysteria and histrionics with those pesky women. Actual use for almost 4000 years would seem to make it hard to dismiss.

It's the entire associational network around the word that would seem to matter, not merely its theatrical origin.

Oh vernacular, you worrisome inconvenience, you.