John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

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Re: John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

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Bazooka wrote:...is publicly available information about the rules.


So what's the rule on apostasy? I don't see it in that publicly available information. Could it be in the non-publicly available information?
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suniluni2 wrote:
Bazooka wrote:...is publicly available information about the rules.


So what's the rule on apostasy? I don't see it in that publicly available information. Could it be in the non-publicly available information?


Do you mean "What constitutes apostasy?"
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Bazooka wrote:
suniluni2 wrote:
So what's the rule on apostasy? I don't see it in that publicly available information. Could it be in the non-publicly available information?


Do you mean "What constitutes apostasy?"


I mean the rule in the chi on apostasy.
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I regrettably just slogged my way through this whole thread for the same reason that I can't help but rubberneck when I drive past a car accident, and I now have a strong urge to take a shower. What a cluster . . .
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Sammy Jankins wrote:I know there is probably some fatigue in regards to the debates over John Dehlin. Still I found some of the demands made by his stake president interesting.

An update on my discussion with the Stake President


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Dehlin has been AWOL since this "business as usual" prediction.

The last mention of him on Mormon Stories appears to be:
500: To Be Released
October 21, 2014
By John Dehlin
Episode 500 is in the works, and will be released as soon as John can finish it. :)

In the meantime, we’re going to be releasing some of the other great content we’ve been working on. Enjoy!

Interesting that the post reports to have been written by John Dehlin but the posts contents show that not to be true.

Has Dehlin completely capitulated to the Stake Presidents demands by disappearing behind the scenes and letting people like Patterson appear to be the ones running the show now? Is he simply lying low whilst getting into a position where he can run a money spinning counselling service leveraging his Mormon identity? Who will surface first...Dehlin...or Bobberson?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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Re: John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

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Bobberson posted yesterday.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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suniluni2 wrote:
Bazooka wrote:...is publicly available information about the rules.


So what's the rule on apostasy? I don't see it in that publicly available information. Could it be in the non-publicly available information?


I never got an answer to this zook.
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Re: John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

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This is on LDS.org "Apostasy"

https://www.LDS.org/topics/apostasy?lang=eng

"When individuals or groups of people turn away from the principles of the gospel, they are in a state of apostasy."
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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Bazooka wrote:Has Dehlin completely capitulated to the Stake Presidents demands by disappearing behind the scenes and letting people like Patterson appear to be the ones running the show now? Is he simply lying low whilst getting into a position where he can run a money spinning counselling service leveraging his Mormon identity? Who will surface first...Dehlin...or Bobberson?

Maybe he's been busy. That can happen to me.

That said someone posted this yesterday.
http://mormonstories.org/abhau-family-s ... eir-voice/

Maybe you were the fire behind it. Or maybe not.
Crawling around the evidence in order to maintain a testimony of the Book of Mormon.

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badseed wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Has Dehlin completely capitulated to the Stake Presidents demands by disappearing behind the scenes and letting people like Patterson appear to be the ones running the show now? Is he simply lying low whilst getting into a position where he can run a money spinning counselling service leveraging his Mormon identity? Who will surface first...Dehlin...or Bobberson?

Maybe he's been busy. That can happen to me.

That said someone posted this yesterday.
http://mormonstories.org/abhau-family-s ... eir-voice/

Maybe you were the fire behind it. Or maybe not.


By Tyler Vale

In this very important episode of Mormon Stories, psychiatrist Daniel Parkinson M.D., who is also host of our sister podcast Gay Mormon Stories, interviews Meg, Jake and Jon Abhau.


That's the point, it's not Dehlin doing it. He is AWOL.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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