What is an anti-Mormon?

[_grindael]

Thank you, Lemmie. I culled that from my Eliza Snow article on my blog. (There you will find all the references). I thought it would be a good exercise for any who were curious about what happened in Missouri. It doesn't deal so much with the 1833 problems, but really it was almost a repeat of what happened then. It is sad that Americans can be so tribal, the Missourians stuck together and the Mormons did the same. Instead of working it out, they both became intolerant and forced the issue to a violent outcome. There was plenty of blame to go around on both sides. And like with most situations, the flames were fanned by mostly a few, who would not back down and communicate in a civil manner, as many like Orange Wight, John Corrill, Reed Peck, etc. advised or observed later. What happened at Shoal Creek was a very low point in the history of this nation, in my opinion. Anytime innocent children are targeted, is unconscionable. And there was so much land and opportunity available then. What is ironic is that the Mormons made their stand there, and then later Joseph just changed the definition of Zion, and pretty much made all that sacrifice and loss of life pointless. And the Missourians got their comeuppance during the Civil War, when that area was decimated. Joseph's date of September 11 for the "Redemption of Zion" in 1836 was never forgotten by the Mormons, and they made their point of remembering it in an awful way on September 11, 1857 at Mountain Meadows. Violence always begets violence it seems and there are lessons to be learned in those events for all of us.

[_Kishkumen]

I don't care what some rando thinks about anti-Mormons and critics.

[_grindael]

Would I be classed as an "anti-Mormon" and an "anti-Missourian" because I blamed both sides for what happened?

[_grindael]

How about being a selective anti-Mormon or "anti" anything for that matter?

[_Kishkumen]

I think of you as anti-BS, grindael.

[_grindael]

I think of you as anti-BS, grindael.

I'm in good company, having strayed at times into that arena and having you correct me.

[_Lemmie]

I think of you as anti-BS, grindael.

Couldn't agree more.

[_huckelberry]

Niadna has been posting on Carm where she would encounter nastier comments than the crowd of hecklers here. I though her post here was rather good humored . Now this thread has provided genuine information of value but with nobody else on her side she buried under a pile. How come people have no sympathy for her but instead start a chorus of cat calls and hoots to encourage her to leave?

How would you like to see that sympathy expressed? I agree some posters have been brutal on her, but others have engaged her in a respectful manner as I believe I have done. As far as people siding with her, no one is preventing you from trying to defend what she is saying. If you think she has said something that is worth defending, step up and help her, otherwise your criticism is just an attempt to patronize her. I am sure she does not want people to come to her side just because they feel sorry for her.

"Chorus of cat calls"? Nonsense and what an over statement. One person has told her she is on the wrong board which moderation immediately posted a warning about. I referenced another board and told her what it had to offer. In no way did I suggest she should leave this board. If I had I am sure RI would have let me know. You and I have different definitions of a "Chorus of cat calls."

Fence Sitter, yes I exaggerated.I also did not intend to point to individuals who I thought were piling on in an unnecessary personal way. I did not even mention who were providing valuable substance in the thread.

If there was a question Grindael and others have been making valuable substantial contributions.

Thank you Grindael.

I did not wish to push people to defend Naidna. Her expressed viewpoints do not include things I would wish to defend other than there exists dimensions of antimormon forces which are reprehensible. Things here rarely, if ever, reach that point. I do not think they have on this thread.

[_grindael]

You're welcome, Huck... I think that most of those that frequent this board are pretty jaded about the term "anti-Mormon" so the responses are really not that surprising. There seems to be (in America) an overall effort to get away from such broad labeling, and the use of such labels as epithets. In many ways this has been nothing but amusing, but there are some real scars that many here have, that such an exercise cannot help but to bring into remembrance and touch off emotional responses. You would think that people would know better, but some seem to be callous of others feelings about such things.

[_huckelberry]

You're welcome, Huck... I think that most of those that frequent this board are pretty jaded about the term "anti-Mormon" so the responses are really not that surprising. There seems to be (in America) an overall effort to get away from such broad labeling, and the use of such labels as epithets. In many ways this has been nothing but amusing, but there are some real scars that many here have, that such an exercise cannot help but to bring into remembrance and touch off emotional responses. You would think that people would know better, but some seem to be callous of others feelings about such things.

Grindael. You are right to remind me how for people who have left the church the phrase antimormon carries an implied personal spiritual threat to the formerbeliever. Perhaps Nadnai can use the reminder of how much the phrase gets an automatic bad reaction from people who have struggled with faith in the LDS church and ended that faith for themselves.