Should we bring back a moderator team?

[Lem]

Finally!

After 44 pages of thread, someone finally suggested that this board needs moderators.

Man - I love this board!

30 people have voted yes for moderators, including me.

I think Sledge is passing his interview and Gadianton is failing miserably.

You say the darndest things sometimes. And I have no clue what thread ceeb is reading that caused him to say that. But, let’s save it for posterity.

[Jersey Girl]

You did delete a post of mine last night, one where I quoted the actual post where Doc Cam asked me how many ****** I swallow between appointments.

Part I bolded. That. literally. never. happened.

And not only that, that entire wall of text you posted is incoherent non-factual blather to the point of delusion. Holy cats. That is simply stunning.

[canpakes]

I have not melted down …

… said the fellow who went on a two-week meltdown rampage, ranting about urine.

Even though you needed to delete nearly all of your first 1000 posts in an attempt to gaslight anyone who may not have witnessed in real time your emotional collapse into snowflake-land, many of those posts were captured by others who quoted you.

Good times, that.

[canpakes]

You did delete a post of mine last night, one where I quoted the actual post where Doc Cam asked me how many ****** I swallow between appointments.

Part I bolded. That. literally. never. happened.

And not only that, that entire wall of text you posted is incoherent non-factual blather to the point of delusion. Holy cats. That is simply stunning.

It happened (but noting some error in his details), when Doc responded to Cultellus in the latter’s early-stage trolling, when Cultellus was responding with unsolicited nonsense to anyone posting in the thread.

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Funny that Cultellus desperately demands that everyone notice this single chip on his shoulder, while continuing to blame everyone else for his meltdown and failure of self control. This is pretty much all that he has to grasp at, but I don’t see how that can cover for his near-1000 post Tourette’s-fest of spamming and profanity.

[Jersey Girl]

Part I bolded. That. literally. never. happened.

And not only that, that entire wall of text you posted is incoherent non-factual blather to the point of delusion. Holy cats. That is simply stunning.

It happened (but noting some error in his details), when Doc responded to Cultellus in the latter’s early-stage trolling, when Cultellus was responding with unsolicited nonsense to anyone posting in the thread.

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Oh my gosh. I stand corrected!

Funny that Cultellus desperately demands that everyone notice this single chip on his shoulder, while continuing to blame everyone else for his meltdown and failure of self control. This is pretty much all that he has to grasp at, but I don’t see how that can cover for his near-1000 post Tourette’s-fest of spamming and profanity.

I don't think it accounts for anything at this point. Particularly not to those of us who witnessed all that happened in the now modified posts. Many did copy the posts for safe keeping if you want to call it that.

[ceeboo]

Hey Lem

And I have no clue what thread ceeb is reading that caused him to say that.

I was kidding! Obviously, the great majority of people were posting about needing moderators so when I saw that post on page 44, I just had a little fun with sledge I probably shouldn't have posted that, but I had a nice steak for dinner and had just finished about 6 bottles of Miller Lite before I posted that - So I'm blaming it on a buzz!

[Atlanticmike]

Epistle to Cultellus:

This will be my last post on this thread for a while so it doesn't come across as an insurrection followed by endless speeches from the new regime. We await the triumphant return of Shades, and if he is displeased with what's gone on here, I will voluntarily withdraw from the board entirely for a while as punishment.

But there is one last thing. Cultellus has followed me around calling me a "bigot" and screaming about my unfitness to moderate and so on. As he's been doing this, I've been in a major shop cleanup where I'm getting rid of lots of dust, cobwebs, and other things I wasn't aware of, but a family member recently brought to my attention. Last night, I had some red marks on my skin, and I assume I'd been bitten by something, maybe a flea?

Personally, tiny insect bites and insults from Cultellus are perfectly fine with me. Like my shop, it comes with the territory and I don't mind it. Have at it. I know I'm a sucker for board drama so it comes with the territory.

A shop metaphor is one I understand and respect.

I do need to point out something though. Your voice here has zero credibility. Nobody cares what you want. The closest you've approached to substance that I can see, is arguing that the Covid vaccines have zero-percent effectiveness and then citing sources that contradict everything you claim. That's you at your best. Obviously, you're intelligent enough that either you're just trolling (which is allowed) or totally brainwashed. From there, most of your 1000 posts are tone trolling, board nannying, melting down over Doc Cam (who isn't breaking rules from what I can tell), using the 'F' word profusely, direct name calling like crazy, and mainly just being a pest. You've gone fully unchecked except a single post I deleted yesterday. Barely a member for a couple of weeks, and you've also threatened a lawsuit against the board because people don't just up and make you happy. A-Mike has gone way overboard with language and spam and whatever else, but, A-Mike does have a handful of posts where he really was trying to get his point across in a normal way, about a subject aside from the forum, and it was an actual discussion.

You can spend the next 10,000 posts calling for civility on your terms and fairness and you may be allowed to do so, maybe not, I don't know yet. For now, yes. But, your demands have no credibility. Nobody wants to make you happy. Nobody cares about your idea of justice. I'm pretty sure Shades don't either, or he won't after I've explained a few things that he might not know about.

You might want to look into being less of a snowflake if your best ideas in life are really so unhinged.

And to all else, in the spirit of Shades, please remember the "ignore" feature. I use this feature myself. There are also some filters that can be set up that will give you better coverage against blocking posters you don't want to see. I'll try to test that stuff out and get a tutorial up, if it's worth doing. A week or so.

If nobody cared about what I had to say, Gadianton, we would not be having this discussion. If I had no credibility, we would not be having this discussion. While it may be true that Jersey initiated the call for additional or different moderation, you may notice that all responses by Dr. Shades to that request have included more than a nod to the issues I have brought up. He specifically addressed my issues and his requests were largely ignored. Further, we have seen at least one person post on this board for the first time and acknowledge that progress toward a more civil board was an attraction to her.

Your claim that "nobody" cares is absolutely not true. If anything, such a claim discredits you. All it takes is one person to care and, well, your claim is false. Your credibility is shot, not mine. Even if Atlanticmike is the only other person that cares, your suggestion that nobody cares is destroyed and your credibility is destroyed. Based on my inbox, your credibility, with regard to your claim and the implied insult, is destroyed.

Your reference to the Covid vaccine conversation is a violation of your own request to not bring conversations from Paradise up here. But, now that you have done that - let's have at it. You have misrepresented my position in the conversation, which was that the vaccines are not working. My point was that rates of infection are increasing and included breakthroughs. If you recall, in the early stages of that conversation I was asked how many [penises] I swallow between appointments. (More on that later in this post.) Somehow, you fail to see how that kind of a personal response and the bigotry that was involved in that response derailed the conversation. I do not owe you answers to your questions or clarifications when doing so includes accepting the conditions such as bigotry and epithets. Any conclusions you make about my position, while you are complicit with bigotry, are not relevant to me.

I make no claims of being intelligent. I am not brainwashed, but nice projection.

Yes, I use foul language. Yep. That does not seem to be an issue down there, even if it is an issue with the rules. Yes, I name call. Specifically in reference to a character in a Mel Brooks movie. Yep. And I most often do it with an emphatic rejection of nonsense and trolling. I fail to see how you could possibly by bothered by an F-word and yet you are content as can be with racial and sexuality epithets. Your compartmentalization is on full display.

Your failure to acknowledge or see that Doc Cam is breaking rules is the primary reason you are unfit for any moderation role, and perhaps a technical role, on this board. It is one thing to see that the rules are broken and use Socratic logic to explain why it is not your place to address it or that you prefer to address it according to a set and agreed process. While I dislike Res Ipsa's rhetoric and methods, I have told him directly that I respect him for honoring a process and system. I dislike his laissez-faire approach with Doc Cam, but he explains why does what he does. I do not trust him to remedy the problem, but I respect his explanation. You, Gadianton, I also respect your explanation which is that you see nothing wrong with Doc Cam's posts. I believe you.

I have not melted down, in case you have not noticed. But good try. I have heated up, or melted up. I have stayed engaged and not swayed despite having epithets hurled at me for what Doc Cam thinks I am and what you think I am. I am fine engaging in the arguments made on this board, but Doc Cam feels like he can post brutal bigoted insults at a person based on his assumptions. He is wrong. You are wrong. And your credibility in this matter is in play.

I have not gone fully unchecked. I am met with resistance repeatedly. You did delete a post of mine last night, one where I quoted the actual post where Doc Cam asked me how many ****** I swallow between appointments. You did not, however, moderate equally ugly posts by Doc Cam where he (arguably inaccurately) paraphrased awful things posted by Atlanticmike. You have a double standard, and it favors bigotry and it favors Doc Cam.

I did threaten to sue the board if something specific happened, and it was in reference to something Doc Cam did. It was him trolling, not me. And I fired back. If you recall, Doc Cam tried the stunt again, and Dr. Shades did respond directly to the post. I am not a threat to sue the board, but your bias and failure to acknowledge the facts is noted. And go to hell, Gadianton. My comment was not because you or anyone else on the board did not make me happy. That suggestion, a flat out misleading one, dissolves your credibility further.

My demands for civility have a lot of credibility, Gadianton. A metric ton. In fact, my demands to rid the board of bigotry and personal insults have so much credibility that this thread is happening and Shades is contemplating a move to provide a remedy. Civility must be restored if this board is going to have its best long-term life. Specifically, the posts by those people with an interest in Mormons, Mormonism and Mormon apologetics will be compromised if this board is allowed to be a safe-harbor for bigotry, including the bigotry that Doc Cam confessed to having and continuing, which he did in this thread. His explanation that homosexual epithets and bigotry are okay because he assigns homosexuality no value is important to how this board is moderated today and in the future.

I do not care if anyone on this board wants to make me happy. I care if anyone on this board wants to be complicit in bigotry and homosexual epithets. If the answer is that I am the only one that wants a board without bigotry, great. I can leave. I do not think I am the only one. I am not asking for justice, Gadianton. Is that a straw man? I am not sure what to make of it. I want dignity. I will fight for dignity. You will not. That does not make you bad or me good or you good and me bad. That just means we are different.

I am a lot of things, Gadianton. I am not a snowflake. If that was meant to be a personal insult, it did not land. Your personal insult, especially in the role of moderator on this thread, should disqualify you immediately. I am not sure what you are implying, but I am not a snowflake by any interpretation of your metaphor. You may want me to be, but I am not.

Go ahead and explain it to Shades. You should. And you should also know that I respect Shades a ton, and frankly, I believe I respect his project more than you do. I am willing to fight for the dignity of all posters on here where you seem only interested in those that align with your bigoted view of the world where people are either right-wing or right, Trumpsters or moral citizens. Good luck with the fleas and good luck selling your interpretation to Dr. Shades.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaanngg!!! Great post,!!! You know it's a great post when the next 7 post afterwards are from 3 posters who don't like you that much. You triggered Lem so bad she posted 3x in a row.

I have a suggestion. Before you post, maybe you should put a header that says
WARNING

YOU'RE ABOUT TO READ A POST CHOCK-FULL OF COMMON SENSE. IF YOU'RE EASILY TRIGGERED, REFRAIN FROM READING!!!!!

[ceeboo]

Hey Cultellus

Your claim that "nobody" cares is absolutely not true. If anything, such a claim discredits you. All it takes is one person to care and, well, your claim is false. Your credibility is shot, not mine. Even if Atlanticmike is the only other person that cares

Well, I will not go as far as suggesting claims on anyone's credibility - That type of thing ought to be evaluated by looking at several posts, with context, over a long period of time. This very recent discussion is complex and deep so I for one, will resist making any determinations and/or judgements about personal credibility for anyone. Among other things, it wouldn't be fair. At all.

Having said that, I will openly post that I care! I care a lot. There are things that ought to be considered in this community - by the entire community, in my opinion.

At the end of the day, no matter if you approve of the methods used or find the methods used to be distracting, uncivil, board damaging or annoying, the message indeed made its' way from the deep and can now be seen floating on the surface where everyone can clearly see it. Now that it's there, the only question, in my mind, is what, if anything, is this community going to do about it? As I see it, there are options that each of us have. We can ignore it, we can comment on it, we can pretend that it's not floating on the surface, we can try to clean up what's floating on the surface, we can try to justify what's floating on the surface, we can claim that what's floating on the surface really isn't what's floating on the surface, or we can remain silent and choose to not get involved, etc. Any of these options are available to every one of us - and every one of these options doesn't automatically attach you to a certain side in all of this. We all can make our own choice (or make no choice) and none of us need to explain or justify our choice to anyone. Full stop.

[Shulem]

Red Ink is HUGE rule violation. I fixed it here, but you should probably edit your post.

Yes, it is a rule violation, technically, but the use of those explanation points are not letters so I doubt Shades would care.

I confess, I've been breaking the red writing rule multiple times in some of my little presentations up in the Celestial Forum and have begged Shades to give me a pass because I needed the red writing to help express the points I was making and help provide a sense of feeling with processing the text.

So far, Shades has been merciful to me and nobody has complained about the application of certain red text which I felt I just had to do to make my point. If Shades insists, I will go back and turn every one of them orange but I hope that won't be necessary.

Anyway, please (anyone and everyone) don't use me (SHUMEM) as an excuse to use your own red text in breaking the rules because I can tell you right now that Shades won't by that. I'm lucky enough to get away with that rule violation up in Celestial and I'm counting my blessings.

Fingers crossed.

[Lem]

Yes, it is a rule violation, technically, but the use of those explanation points are not letters so I doubt Shades would care.

I confess, I've been breaking the red writing rule multiple times in some of my little presentations up in the Celestial Forum and have begged Shades to give me a pass because I needed the red writing to help express the points I was making and help provide a sense of feeling with processing the text.

So far, Shades has been merciful to me and nobody has complained about the application of certain red text which I felt I just had to do to make my point. If Shades insists, I will go back and turn every one of them orange but I hope that won't be necessary.

Anyway, please (anyone and everyone) don't use me (SHUMEM) as an excuse to use your own red text in breaking the rules because I can tell you right now that Shades won't by that. I'm lucky enough to get away with that rule violation up in Celestial and I'm counting my blessings.

Fingers crossed.

Clearly, you’ve had your MD second anointing.