I may respond further to this post, but first, may I ask you if you have read Grant Hardy's "Understanding the Book of Mormon" all the way through? To the extent of figuratively and/or literally underlining points of interest, etc.?
I can't answer for canpakes, but I believe there are more than a few of us who have read both Hardy and Givens.
I may respond further to this post, but first, may I ask you if you have read Grant Hardy's "Understanding the Book of Mormon" all the way through? To the extent of figuratively and/or literally underlining points of interest, etc.?
I can't answer for canpakes, but I believe there are more than a few of us who have read both Hardy and Givens.
mentalgymnast wrote: have this picture in my mind of Nephi's vision. GSB, the Tree, River, Mist of Darkness...and so forth. Those that are seeking the TofL are plodding along holding onto the rod of iron and seeking to be disciples of Jesus Christ. Looking up at the Great and Spacious Building there are those that are looking out the windows and shouting/mocking and so forth. But looking up on the rooftop what is observed? This bare chested dude with a white flowy hair and beard, body shaking back and forth, with a megaphone up to his mouth shouting LARGE FONTY and at times offensive words through his megaphone.
The antithesis of Samuel the Lamanite.
Just had to share it.
mentalgymnast
You see yourself as the antithesis of Samuel the lamanite? How does that fit into this conversation??
mentalgymnast wrote: have this picture in my mind of Nephi's vision. GSB, the Tree, River, Mist of Darkness...and so forth. Those that are seeking the TofL are plodding along holding onto the rod of iron and seeking to be disciples of Jesus Christ. Looking up at the Great and Spacious Building there are those that are looking out the windows and shouting/mocking and so forth. But looking up on the rooftop what is observed? This bare chested dude with a white flowy hair and beard, body shaking back and forth, with a megaphone up to his mouth shouting LARGE FONTY and at times offensive words through his megaphone.
The antithesis of Samuel the Lamanite.
Just had to share it.
mentalgymnast
You see yourself as the antithesis of Samuel the Lamanite? How does that fit into this conversation??
Can I get to be Korihor? He's the guy I admire most in the Book of Mormon. But just try to silence me.
Now this is a reasonable use of the Book of Mormon: a source of literary references, metaphors, characters. A sort of second string Elizabethan/frontier Methodist/Masonic cycle of dramas.
Joshua Judges Ruth 1 Samuel 2 Samuel 1 Kings 2 Kings 1 Chronicles 2 Chronicles Ezra Nehemiah Esther Matthew Mark Luke John Acts
Poetry
Job Psalms Proverbs Ecclesiastes Song of Solomon (Song of Songs) Lamentations
Prophecy
Isaiah Jeremiah Ezekiel Daniel Hosea Joel Amos Obadiah Jonah Micah Nahum Habakkuk Zephaniah Haggai Zechariah Malachi Revelation
Letters
Romans 1 Corinthians 2 Corinthians Galatians Ephesians Philippians Colossians 1 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 1 Timothy 2 Timothy Titus Philemon Hebrews James 1 Peter 2 Peter 1 John 2 John 3 John Jude
I think this point can't be overstated enough given the context of the conversation. MG's position is untenable given this and the fact Joseph Smith tried to sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon couldn't be more worthless a witness to the point MG is making even if he dismissed all other sacred tomes out of hand.
Oh. Wait. He is doing that.
Jesus.
- Doc
PS- It's funny how he hasn't brought up the Book of Abraham as corroborating evidence to his point.
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
mentalgymnast wrote: have this picture in my mind of Nephi's vision. GSB, the Tree, River, Mist of Darkness...and so forth. Those that are seeking the TofL are plodding along holding onto the rod of iron and seeking to be disciples of Jesus Christ. Looking up at the Great and Spacious Building there are those that are looking out the windows and shouting/mocking and so forth. But looking up on the rooftop what is observed? This bare chested dude with a white flowy hair and beard, body shaking back and forth, with a megaphone up to his mouth shouting LARGE FONTY and at times offensive words through his megaphone.
The antithesis of Samuel the Lamanite.
Just had to share it.
mentalgymnast
You see yourself as the antithesis of Samuel the Lamanite? How does that fit into this conversation??
Maksutov wrote:Can I get to be Korihor? He's the guy I admire most in the Book of Mormon. But just try to silence me.
Now this is a reasonable use of the Book of Mormon: a source of literary references, metaphors, characters. A sort of second string Elizabethan/frontier Methodist/Masonic cycle of dramas.
What imagery!! I'm also fascinated by the guy shouting "LARGE FONTY," as I have literally not the slightest idea what that means.
grindael wrote:This is typical mental... not an answer, just "because" he read it. He got "fresh eyes". Can anyone be more vague? Hi-larious.
Funny, looking at the Book of Mormon with fresh eyes is what caused me to consider it a fabrication.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
I may respond further to this post, but first, may I ask you if you have read Grant Hardy's "Understanding the Book of Mormon" all the way through? To the extent of figuratively and/or literally underlining points of interest, etc.?
Goya: I can't answer for canpakes, but I believe there are more than a few of us who have read both Hardy and Givens.
Mak: Yes, but we're all biased.
MG: Hi Mak, I may have it wrong...but if I'm remembering correctly you said that you hadn't and wouldn't read Hardy's book. Do I have that right?
