Daniel C. Peterson: well-respected scholar? or not?

[_Mister Scratch]

Runtu:

Can you see where this is going? Your posts on this board are just going to make people who have some milk of human kindness in them totally unwilling to engage you, disagree with you, or criticize you for fear that in the future you will come back and make accusations of precipitating a suicide attempt. I know that if you came back down the line and said to me the things you are saying to another poster on this board, I couldn't sleep for days and would probably abandon board participation forever. You are being unfair to deal this card.
P

The hell he is. Find me one other person who thinks that Pahoran is anything other than a massive jerk and an arrogant trash talker. That Pahoran might feel guilty is but in drop in the well of shame he ought to be feeling. He's sort of like the Church itself: unwilling to ever apologize, regardless of the offense.

[_Who Knows]

Gee, when nearly every post on nearly every thread is consumed with hatred of FAIR, my options to poke fun on other subjects are somewhat limited.

You have plenty of options of other subjects to poke fun of. The World Wide Web is pretty big. The fact that you choose to come here to mock posters who are obsessed with mocking FAIR means that you're obsessed with it.

Besides, I don't believe anyone here hates FAIR. They're just disgusted with the people in charge of running the place (Damn_G and Juliann specifically). I personally liked FAIR, until they developed a major inferiority complex, and banned me and 6 others for no reason at all (well, they gave no reason, and no warning - I'm sure they had their reasons).

[_Rollo Tomasi]

[Juliann] appears to be from what I read on this board a major FAIR denizen of significant intelligence and little tolerance for several folks here.

The bolded words caused me to engage in loud laughter.

You are the archetypical fiend of hell ....

Who is fast becoming the Gilligan to your Skipper. Good to see you finally found a friend, Bob.

Never mind the fact that (at least since March) we are treated to discussions about masturbation ...

Ah, an SWK wannabe.

personal infidelity...

I haven't seen any of that.

hatred of their faithful spouses ...

It's almost always the other way around -- one of the sad by-products of the "families are forever" obsession.

hatred of their divorced spouses ...

Plenty of divorced TBM's have the same "hatred," which began when they were the aforementioned "faithful spouses."

pre-marital sex ...

Bob is breaking out the "Miracle of Forgiveness" again! I'm sure, like SWK and others of the Brethren, he would rather his children be dead and buried than alive and "stained" by sexuality.

homosexual bliss ...

Ah, can't forget to throw in the Morg-bred homophobia, eh, Bob?

I am told I have got to be one of the worst lawyers on the planet.

Your skills were not challenged, just your embellished resume.

My church position is mocked to the nth degree and my qualifications for it.

You contributed to that by using the moniker "Bishop Lee" and "Bishop." Let me guess -- you make your wife and children call you that home, right? Wouldn't be surprising, what with your "presiding" over the ward AND your family.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

You are being unfair to deal this card.

Are you suggesting that Runtu is being any more unfair than Pah was to him? Pah often steps over the line with his vitriolic tirades -- he should learn a lesson from this.

[_Runtu]

Runtu:

Can you see where this is going? Your posts on this board are just going to make people who have some milk of human kindness in them totally unwilling to engage you, disagree with you, or criticize you for fear that in the future you will come back and make accusations of precipitating a suicide attempt. I know that if you came back down the line and said to me the things you are saying to another poster on this board, I couldn't sleep for days and would probably abandon board participation forever. You are being unfair to deal this card.

Get your personal life off the public boards. Get help from real people. God bless you and help you.


P

Seriously, did you read what I posted? The one time in my life when I posted about a serious personal crisis, most people responded with kindness and urged me to get help. One did not. I have not spoken with Pahoran since that day, so I don't consider it "playing a card" of any kind. That was a horrible time, and I'm glad it's passed. I just didn't expect to talk to the one person I really didn't want to ever come across again. I'm trying to learn to forgive.

[_Pahoran]

Runtu:

Can you see where this is going? Your posts on this board are just going to make people who have some milk of human kindness in them totally unwilling to engage you, disagree with you, or criticize you for fear that in the future you will come back and make accusations of precipitating a suicide attempt. I know that if you came back down the line and said to me the things you are saying to another poster on this board, I couldn't sleep for days and would probably abandon board participation forever. You are being unfair to deal this card.
P

The hell he is. Find me one other person who thinks that Pahoran is anything other than a massive jerk and an arrogant trash talker.

Massive jerk and an arrogant trash talker I may well be, but you have certainly surpassed me in both of those areas.

That Pahoran might feel guilty is but in drop in the well of shame he ought to be feeling. He's sort of like the Church itself: unwilling to ever apologize, regardless of the offense.

And your superior example in that regard can be found--where, exactly?

Regards,
Pahoran

[_rcrocket]

You are being unfair to deal this card.

Are you suggesting that Runtu is being any more unfair than Pah was to him? Pah often steps over the line with his vitriolic tirades -- he should learn a lesson from this.

How sad and pathetic, that you justify Runtu's rantings with Pahoran's ravings. Carry on.

[_Runtu]

You are being unfair to deal this card.

Are you suggesting that Runtu is being any more unfair than Pah was to him? Pah often steps over the line with his vitriolic tirades -- he should learn a lesson from this.

How sad and pathetic, that you justify Runtu's rantings with Pahoran's ravings. Carry on.

I'm sorry I brought it up. As I said, I never expected to talk to Pahoran again after that horrible time. But it's in the past, and it was between me and him. I'm sorry for bringing it here.

[_Mister Scratch]

Massive jerk and an arrogant trash talker I may well be

Glad you'll admit it. That's the first step towards true repentance.

That Pahoran might feel guilty is but in drop in the well of shame he ought to be feeling. He's sort of like the Church itself: unwilling to ever apologize, regardless of the offense.

And your superior example in that regard can be found--where, exactly?

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Hey, bring it on, Pah! I'll happily retract and apologize profusely if you can produce one single instance of the institutional Church ever offering up a sincere apology. Good luck with that one. Maybe you can enlist your clone, Wade Englund, to help you.

[_Pahoran]

Fleabite,

I previously wrote:

Massive jerk and an arrogant trash talker I may well be, but you have certainly surpassed me in both of those areas.

And you dishonestly edited my response thus:

Massive jerk and an arrogant trash talker I may well be

Glad you'll admit it. That's the first step towards true repentance.

Don't you realise what a pointless exercise it is when the quote you are mangling can be seen on the very same page?

That Pahoran might feel guilty is but in drop in the well of shame he ought to be feeling. He's sort of like the Church itself: unwilling to ever apologize, regardless of the offense.

And your superior example in that regard can be found--where, exactly?

Hey, bring it on, Pah! I'll happily retract and apologize profusely if you can produce one single instance of the institutional Church ever offering up a sincere apology.

You could start by retracting and apologising for some of the lies you have told in this forum.

Good luck with that one. Maybe you can enlist your clone, Wade Englund, to help you.

Hey, why don't you come right out and lie that Wade is my sock-puppet, too? You know you want to.

Regards,
Pahoran