Gazelam wrote:Was the McConkie who taught your class Joseph Fielding McConkie?
That was my mission president.
And yes, the Catholic Church is the Mother whore of the Earth. (1 Nephi 14) From whom spawned the countless apostate christian churchs. But that's a harsh thing to say, so we usually just whisper it amongst ourselves.
Gaz
Hopefully we can now jettison that whispered thought into space.
I remember taking a look at the 37 item do and don't pledge and decided there was no way I could ever attend BYU.
moksha wrote:I remember taking a look at the 37 item do and don't pledge and decided there was no way I could ever attend BYU.
They enforce that within the housing as well. Since good housing here in provo is hard to find, i had to live in some "BYU approved" housing for about a year. HOLY F*** was there a load of spying and neiveness on EVERYONE in there. Let alone that i was preached to DAILY. (at first) untill they started finding out that i "knew the truth" and would cite specific examples of my arguments with their own prophets.
One time my neighbor got drunk/high. EVERYONE freaked out, locking all the doors, windows, blinds, and generaly being hysterical. "we don't know what he is going to do!" I just sat on the couch watcing TV, laughing. (mind you i was also sitting next to one of my swords)
One nice thing is, ze game of love is never called on account of darkness - Pepe Le Pew
Gazelam wrote:Was the McConkie who taught your class Joseph Fielding McConkie?
That was my mission president.
And yes, the Catholic Church is the Mother whore of the Earth. (1 Nephi 14) From whom spawned the countless apostate christian churchs. But that's a harsh thing to say, so we usually just whisper it amongst ourselves.
Gaz
I've always wondered how a church can be a whore when the church does most of the screwing.
Bond
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
maklelan wrote:There's plenty of open debate and discussion, but when a professor decides that their employer is wrong and refuses to respect their employers wishes, why should the employer be obligated to allow them to continue? Outside of that, the students can debate and discuss pretty much anything they want.
If the employer decides to limit open discussion and debate, then perhaps it ought to reconsider trying to operate a university; instead, it should stick to seminary classes and institute. My point remains: BYU is not a 'university' in the sense of open discussion and debate and exploring all sides of an issue.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
maklelan wrote:There's plenty of open debate and discussion, but when a professor decides that their employer is wrong and refuses to respect their employers wishes, why should the employer be obligated to allow them to continue? Outside of that, the students can debate and discuss pretty much anything they want.
If the employer decides to limit open discussion and debate, then perhaps it ought to reconsider trying to operate a university; instead, it should stick to seminary classes and institute. My point remains: BYU is not a 'university' in the sense of open discussion and debate and exploring all sides of an issue.
It's a private university, and it can do what it pleases, irrepsective of your ideas about how a university should operate. It will continue to be the largest private university in the country and it will ocontinue to be a force for good in the world.[/i]
maklelan wrote:It's a private university, and it can do what it pleases ...
Agreed.
... irrepsective of your ideas about how a university should operate.
That wasn't my point. My point is and remains: BYU is not a 'university' in the sense of open discussion and debate and exploring all sides of an issue.
It will continue to be the largest private university in the country and it will ocontinue to be a force for good in the world.
Agreed. I simply suggest, and it's only my opinion, that BYU could do better when it comes to being a true 'university.'
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
It will continue to be the largest private university in the country
It certainly will, as long as the members continue to disregard their leaders words. Pres Hinckley long ago instructed the Saints to send their children to state universities close to home, and to participate in the Institute program, and of course the members responded as they always do to direct instructions by the Prophet: they ignored him completely. Since then, we've had to spend more and more tithing dollars to support an education system that is only second rate, because the members refuse to obey.
and it will ocontinue to be a force for good in the world.[/i]
That is highly debatable. Perhaps you'd be good enough to define "force", "good" and "the world", and then we can determine if BYU is indeed a force for good in the world. Until then, what I see is BYU is synonymous with elitism, a biased atmosphere resulting in an incomplete education, and is simply a marriage mart and baby factory.
It will continue to be the largest private university in the country
It certainly will, as long as the members continue to disregard their leaders words. Pres Hinckley long ago instructed the Saints to send their children to state universities close to home, and to participate in the Institute program, and of course the members responded as they always do to direct instructions by the Prophet: they ignored him completely. Since then, we've had to spend more and more tithing dollars to support an education system that is only second rate, because the members refuse to obey.
1. Please provide the source for President Hinckley's statement.
2. Are you actually paying tithing?
3. A second rate education system? Are you even dimly aware of the accolades that BYU has recently received?
4. Please provide documentation for your clam that "the members" have ever "ignored him completely."
harmony wrote:
and it will ocontinue to be a force for good in the world.[/i]
That is highly debatable. Perhaps you'd be good enough to define "force", "good" and "the world", and then we can determine if BYU is indeed a force for good in the world. Until then, what I see is BYU is synonymous with elitism, a biased atmosphere resulting in an incomplete education, and is simply a marriage mart and baby factory.
Please provide any kind of documentation for this grossly inaccurate caricature. I would love to see where this data comes from.
maklelan wrote: It's a private university, and it can do what it pleases, irrepsective of your ideas about how a university should operate. It will continue to be the largest private university in the country and it will ocontinue to be a force for good in the world.[/i]
Who decides if a school is a force for good (or evil)?
Aren't all schools just that, schools, focused on educating people? The quality of the education based on the difficulty of the classes can be questioned and haggled over, but talking about a university in terms of good (or evil) or whatever seems to be an attempt to grab the moral "Right" for the religion that sponsers the University.
Are there any schools that are a force for evil? Bob Jones? Notre Dame? Southern Methodist University?
Bond
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07