Missionary charged with abusing 12-year-old convert

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_Coggins7
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Does the fact that he was indoctrinated with songs such as "I Hope They Call Me on a Mission" and asked repeatedly if he was planning on going on a mission, and exhorted by Church leaders to serve a mission.... In short, does the Church's involvement in all of this affect your views at all?

Then again, perhaps getting involved could more readily open up the Church to a lawsuit---i.e., it would send a message that they consider themselves responsible for the missionary. (Which raises the question: isn't the Church at least partially responsible for these young men?)


ACHTUNG JUDEN! Attention all Mormons. You and your church are being watched by the federal govenment. We know who you are and we know where you live. We know what you teach in your Seminaries and Institutes. We know what you say in your Sunday meetings. We know you teach your sons that they should go on missions for your church. We know they are taught to sing songs like "I Hope They Call Me on a Mission" that may be subversive to the interests of the state and the Democratic Party. We know you teach your boys to be respectful of womanhood, chaste, and sexually celebate until marriage. We know you teach them to be self disciplined, responsible, and self governing individuals. We know that you teach them that it would be better to be on a mission for the Lord Jesus Christ for two years, then anything else they could be doing at that time in their lives, including getting their girlfriends pregnant. We also know that these teachings can produce a tendency towards pedophilia and other sexual perversions if not diagnosed and treated at an early stage.

Deprogramming at an authorized government mental health facility, upon returning from a mission, is mandatory. Required reading will be Foucault, (no stranger to the problem at hand himself, by the way), Derrida De Man, Marcuse, Ginsburg, Leary, and Hefner et al.

Interestingly, in 1977, a group of leading public intellectuals signed a petition advocating the repeal of several aspects of French age of consent laws and the total decriminalization of all consensual sexual relations between adults and minors below the age of 15, which was the age of consent in enlightened, sophisticated France at the time. Among the signers of said petition were:

Guy Hocquenghem
André Glucksmann
Jacques Derrida
Jean Danet
Jean-Paul Sartre
Louis Althusser
Michel Foucault
Philippe Sollers
Roland Barthes
Simone de Beauvoir
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Note: The referenece to Derrida as being "no stranger to the problem at hand" should have been applied to Foucault, and I have edited the text to this end.
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How about you just address the issue?
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What issue?
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Coggins7 wrote:What issue?


The issue you have attempted to derail this thread from discussing. Check the title if you're not sure what the subject is. Read the posts if you're having problems understanding the issue.
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Post by _Gazelam »

I think if hes guilty he should be castrated. They should have this as a general rule anytime something like this happens with a missionary.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Gazelam wrote:I think if hes guilty he should be castrated. They should have this as a general rule anytime something like this happens with a missionary.


You see Coggins? This is how to address the issue.
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Post by _Notoriuswun »

Gazelam wrote:I think if hes guilty he should be castrated. They should have this as a general rule anytime something like this happens with a missionary.


The problem is that you would most likely recommend the same actions were two missionaries to suddenly go gay...go ahead and admit it.
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And you might just go ahead and admit that you have nothing of intellectual substance to bring to this forum but standard Queer Nation agitprop.

Whatever on earth homosexuality has to do with this is anyone's guess.
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Post by _Notoriuswun »

Coggins7 wrote:And you might just go ahead and admit that you have nothing of intellectual substance to bring to this forum but standard Queer Nation agitprop.

Whatever on earth homosexuality has to do with this is anyone's guess.


It has alot to do with this debate, as typically those on the religious right will attempt to group sexual perversion (ie pedophiles, necrophiliacs, beastiality) into the same group as homosexuality. It hasn't been displayed thus far in this thread, but Bond mentioned that it did happen at MAD.

I would be willing to bet that if you were to ask, a majority of the MORGdom would equate the two, and not only that, but that they would also recommend similar "punishments"...and this is my personal opinion before you go all crazy on me.

Finally, I am glad that at least you have the insight to see that the two subjects aren't related.
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