12 Year Old Convert Abuses Missionary

[_Coggins7]

The best I can do here, since you refuse to address what I've already written in a rational manner, is to repost the explanation. As you can see here, unlike the words you put in my mouth, I predicted no Holocaust nor did I say one was probable. All I pointed out is that the very same mindsets and rhetoric exist here on this board among some (and frankly, among many in the ex-Mormon and anti-Mormon world) have existed in the past and have had serious consequences. Little logical argument is needed here to demonstrate that the mindsets are existent and have all the requisit features of the other mindsets to which I am equating them. Those speak for themselves.

This post was exactly the one that provoked my comparison of many of the attitudes espoused here (mindless, hateful bigotry against an entire people, xenophobic predjudice, defamation, and relentless suspicion of dark or malignant intent aimed at that people, its leaders, their culture and traditions; constant impugning and questioning of the personal intelligence and moral qualities (Scratch has clearly labeled myself and others here as little more than sub-human) of that people etc.) to the very same kinds of bigotry and anti-intellectual predjudice that eventually produced the anti-semitism in Europe in the thirties and which, by the way, has produced it again in Europe in the present. They are the same attitudes and mental sets.

The Saints suffered countless outrages at the hands of people in the Nineteenth Century who spoke and thought exactly like Vegas, PP, and some other people here to the point that the Constitution was removed from them as a legal document protecting their unalienable rights as citizens (something Scratch would clearly relish, if he had the unaccountable power to do so). The comparison is completely apropos, from a psychological point of view (as is comparing it to the KKKs view of Blacks, Jews, and Asians during the last two centuries).

[_Fortigurn]

The best I can do here, since you refuse to address what I've already written in a rational manner, is to repost the explanation.

What you posted was not an explanation.

As you can see here, unlike the words you put in my mouth, I predicted no Holocaust nor did I say one was probable.

Oh, so these words weren't yours?

This is the kind of thing that ultimately, taken to its logical conclusion, got six million Jews gassed in the early part of this century.

...the very same kinds of bigotry and anti-intellectual predjudice that eventually produced the anti-semitism in Europe in the thirties and which, by the way, has produced it again in Europe in the present. They are the same attitudes and mental sets.

I'm glad you weren't trying to draw a comparison between attitudes in the past and attitudes in the present, and saying that there's a danger of the events of the past being repeated in the present or future. Maybe it's just the way I read you.

[_Fortigurn]

Now are you going to answer the question?

[_Mercury]

The connection was fully explained...

No, it was simply asserted. You went from 'Mentioning cases of abuse by Mormon missionaries' to 'There's a future Holocaust in the wings, aimed at the LDS church', without any logical or rational chain of reasoning.

There's no question that atrocities such as the Holocaust arise from certain mindsets. What you failed to demonstrate was that any such mindset was present in this case, and that mentioning cases of abuse by Mormon misisonaries is any evidence of such a mindset, let alone the probability of a Holocaust.

Its been pounded into him that the majority of humans on earth are boogeymen who has the sole mission of destroying the LDS way of life.

In reality the worst enemy the church has is itself.

From cogy's perspective he doesn't need a rationale to explain the highly unlikely holocaust. He just "feels" its true, therefore its true...in his mind at least.

[_Coggins7]

I'm onto your game now Fort, so I'm done. The statements you posted do draw a parallel between the attitudes of the past and those of the present here, as they were intended to (as they are quite similar). According to the very statements of mine you posted, I made no prediction that the consequences of those attitudes in Germany of the Thirties would be repeated again. I only said that the attitudes we see here were the same, and that, under the right conditions, the possiblility exists (as the Saints found out in the 19th Century).

You'll have to play your head games with someone else now.

[_Fortigurn]

Its been pounded into him that the majority of humans on earth are boogeymen who has the sole mission of destroying the LDS way of life.

In reality the worst enemy the church has is itself.

From cogy's perspective he doesn't need a rationale to explain the highly unlikely holocaust. He just "feels" its true, therefore its true...in his mind at least.

It does seem that way.

I'm onto your game now Fort, so I'm done. The statements you posted do draw a parallel between the attitudes of the past and those of the present here, as they were intended to (as they are quite similar). According to the very statements of mine you posted, I made no prediction that the consequences of those attitudes in Germany of the Thirties would be repeated again. I only said that the attitudes we see here were the same, and that, under the right conditions, the possiblility exists (as the Saints found out in the 19th Century).

As I said, I'm glad you weren't trying to draw a comparison between attitudes in the past and attitudes in the present, and saying that there's a danger of the events of the past being repeated in the present or future. Maybe it's just the way I read you.

Now, are you going to address the issue and answer the question?

[_Mister Scratch]

I'm onto your game now Fort, so I'm done. The statements you posted do draw a parallel between the attitudes of the past and those of the present here, as they were intended to (as they are quite similar). According to the very statements of mine you posted, I made no prediction that the consequences of those attitudes in Germany of the Thirties would be repeated again. I only said that the attitudes we see here were the same, and that, under the right conditions, the possiblility exists (as the Saints found out in the 19th Century).

You'll have to play your head games with someone else now.

OV, my dear Loran, is that you seem to think that LDS are totally innocent in all of this. But, as with most coplex historical interactions, the reality is somewhat more complicated. The truth is that the Saints were guilty of violence, nasty rhetoric, and questionable ethics, too. If you'd like, you can head down the rabbit hole of comparing who had it worse, but that strikes me as being a bit too similar to the "whiny liberalism" you claim to hate so much. The bottom line is that to compare America of the 19th Century to Nazi Germany is really little more than one of your de rigueur straw men.

[_Coggins7]

Move on, nothing to see here...

[_Mister Scratch]

Move on, nothing to see here...

Yes, since you are completely incapable of seeing anything wrong with the Church, despite your repeating of the mantra, "Our leaders are not infallible." Who is the "intellectually dishonest" one, Loran?

[_Coggins7]

Move on, nothing to see here...