Zakuska wrote:I was taking exception to his outlandish accusations of "sex with a minor". Not even Compton thinks there anything more than heresay to back up the claim. And that with Fanny Alger.
If you read my posts, you will see that I made no such charge.
Fortigurn wrote: A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
Zak,
This is utterly amazing. There is really something wrong with you that your mind would make such an unfounded and offensive leap in logic.
Has Pahoran been tutoring you?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
grayskull wrote:Every seminary teacher in the world with the exception of the one in New Zealand is guilty of "presentism". How else could we apply the scriptures to our daily lives?
Good point. I'm sure the apologists would say "that's different."
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Fortigurn wrote: A very good analysis. Of course there's the other problem with 'Presentism', and that includes finding anyone in the early 19th century who would approve of a grown man having sex with other men's wives, and with girls as young as 14.
I vote fortigurn would have been at the head of the Mob that linched Joseph.
Zak,
This is utterly amazing. There is really something wrong with you that your mind would make such an unfounded and offensive leap in logic.
Has Pahoran been tutoring you?
He made some wild accusations about atheists over on the heavily-moderated board yesterday, and then tried to say it was all a joke. Ha Ha, Zakuska. But isn't it nice to be able to do that on either board and know you won't get canned. Lucky you.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
CaliforniaKid wrote:The rationalizing of Joseph's polygamy here and on the other forum are simply astounding.
Sometimes I'm not sure if we're debating LDS or FLDS.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Nighthawke and Thesometimesaint are now saying that William Law was a character assassin who cannot be trusted and who intentionally brought down persecution on the heads of the Latter-day Saints. I'm never going to make any headway with these people, and this is something of a digression anyway, but it makes me so mad that I almost want to scream. Who lied about poygamy on many documented occasions? hint: it wasn't William Law! Who destroyed the printing press, bringing the whole world down on their heads? Hint: it wasn't William Law. William Law was an upstanding citizen who really cared about his faith and his friends and family, and to see his memory pissed on by would-be apologists in the name of defending a bad argument... argh!
I think I better stop before I explode and my family has to clean up the mess.
CaliforniaKid wrote:Nighthawke and Thesometimesaint are now saying that William Law was a character assassin who cannot be trusted and who intentionally brought down persecution on the heads of the Latter-day Saints. I'm never going to make any headway with these people, and this is something of a digression anyway, but it makes me so mad that I almost want to scream. Who lied about poygamy on many documented occasions? hint: it wasn't William Law! Who destroyed the printing press, bringing the whole world down on their heads? Hint: it wasn't William Law. William Law was an upstanding citizen who really cared about his faith and his friends and family, and to see his memory pissed on by would-be apologists in the name of defending a bad argument... argh!
I think I better stop before I explode and my family has to clean up the mess.
Man, MAD's really done a number on you - if you can't even say what you're thinking over there - you have to say it here.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...