THE POSSIBILITY THAT BRIGHAM YOUNG WAS CORRECT

[_Gazelam]

The audio is easily available to the talk, the only change made was in saying that doing a baptism for the dead for the degenerate old reprobate was a waste of time.

[_silentkid]

Wrong. He also had to change his wording of the organic evolution heresy. He stated from the pulpit that LDS doctrine was not compatible with organic evolution and had to change it to say that it was solely his opinion for publication. If you'd like copies of both versions, I'd be glad to copy them and mail them to you. Just PM me your address.

[_grampa75]

On this matter he was wrong. To my knowledge he was right about everything else he taught. The Holy Ghost testifies on these things, and we have had a living Prophet speak out regarding the issue.

I have no ill feelings towards Brigham Young, he just got this thing wrong. It is a minor blemish on an otherwise amazing man.

Would you mind telling me which subject that you believe that Brigham Young was wrong in?

grampa75

[_grampa75]

The audio is easily available to the talk, the only change made was in saying that doing a baptism for the dead for the degenerate old reprobate was a waste of time.

It's interesting that you mention that Noah came before the flood. That is true in two different ways. First Noah was six hundred years of age when the flood came so he came almost 600 years before the flood. But also if you were to read the 7th chapter of Genesis very carefully you will discover that God gave Noah 7 days to enter the Ark before HE would bring about the deluge. However, when God told Noah to go aboard the ark on the first day; it is written like this:

Genesis 7: 7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wife with him into the arkbecause of the waters of the flood.

Apparently it had already began to flood before it ever began to rain. But read this:

7: And it came to pass after seven days (The seven days God gave Noah to prepare to enter the ark before the rain) that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Then when the seventh day finally arrived it was written:

7: 11(You will notice that this is after the waters of the flood were upon the earth) In the six hundredeth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventhteen day of the month, the same day, were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Perhaps there is much about the flood that some need to have a great deal of understanding yet! so as to be a judge of such sacrad things.

grampa75

[_Gazelam]

On this matter he was wrong. To my knowledge he was right about everything else he taught. The Holy Ghost testifies on these things, and we have had a living Prophet speak out regarding the issue.

I have no ill feelings towards Brigham Young, he just got this thing wrong. It is a minor blemish on an otherwise amazing man.

Would you mind telling me which subject that you believe that Brigham Young was wrong in?

grampa75

If you read the preceeding posts, I was refering to the Adam God theory.

[_Gazelam]

Wrong. He also had to change his wording of the organic evolution heresy. He stated from the pulpit that LDS doctrine was not compatible with organic evolution and had to change it to say that it was solely his opinion for publication. If you'd like copies of both versions, I'd be glad to copy them and mail them to you. Just PM me your address.

I have the audio, and the writen, both edited and unedited. Guess I never noticed the evolution thing. didn't he say that any evolution that occured, occured withen a spere, that is to say the time from Adam until now?

[_silentkid]

I'll have to look at it and let you know. I'm pretty sure that's in the edited version. I'll get back you on it.

[_Jason Bourne]

On this matter he was wrong. To my knowledge he was right about everything else he taught. The Holy Ghost testifies on these things, and we have had a living Prophet speak out regarding the issue.

I have no ill feelings towards Brigham Young, he just got this thing wrong. It is a minor blemish on an otherwise amazing man.

Would you mind telling me which subject that you believe that Brigham Young was wrong in?

grampa75

If you read the preceeding posts, I was refering to the Adam God theory.

Yep. Gaz essentially declared BY a false prophet.

[_silentkid]

McConkie's Seven Deadly Heresies

As delivered from the pulpit:
Heresy2: There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilism.

As published:
There are those who believe that the theory of organic evolution runs counter to the plain and explicit principles set forth in the Holy Scriptures as these have been interpreted and taught by Joseph Smith and his associates. There are others who think that evolution is the system used by the Lord to form plant and animal life and to place man on earth.

That's quite a difference in tone and content. There are numerous other instances in the talk where he declares something from the pulpit as gospel truth but in the published version, each declaration is prefaced with "I believe", or "my reasoning causes me to conclude". It seems the brethren didn't agree wholeheartedly with Bruce.

Back to my original question. How do you know that McConkie was correct in declaring that Brigham Young was incorrect regarding Adam/God?

[_Gazelam]

Like he said, you only have to go through the temple to see that.

Brother Holland's talk on chastity, "Souls , Symbols, Sacraments", was changed for tone as well.