GBH wants to keep Mountain Meadows in LDS hands ....

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Gazelam wrote:Image

History Of The Grave Sites:

1857: The Arkansas Emigrants buried the bodies of ten men killed during the five-day siege somewhere within the circled wagons of the encampment located west of the current (1999) monument in the valley.

1859: Brevet Major James H. Carleton, commanding some eighty soldiers of the First Dragoons from Fort Tejon, California, gathered scattered bones representing the partial remains of thirty-six of the emigrants, interred them near the wagon camp, and erected a stone cairn at the site. The stone cairn was topped with a cedar cross and a small granite marker was set against the north side of the cairn and dated 20 May 1859. (Before Carleton�s arrival, Captains Reuben T. Campbell and Charles Brewer along with 207 men from Camp Floyd, Utah, collected and buried the remains of twenty-six emigrants in three different graves on the west side of the California Road about one and one-half miles north of the original encampment. Brewer reported that �the remains of [an additional] 18 were buried in one grave, 12 in another and 6 in another.� Most of the Arkansas Emigrants died at various locations northeast of the 1859 memorial.)

1932: The Utah Trails and Landmarks Association built a protective stone wall around the 1859 grave site in September 1932, and installed a bronze marker. This Association�s president was George Albert Smith of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and later President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

1999: Under the direction of President Gordon B. Hinckley and with the cooperation of the Mountain Meadows Association and others, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints replaced the 1932 wall and installed the present Grave Site Memorial.

On August 3rd, 1999, workers excavating for the wall around the new monument accidently uncovered the 1859 Carleton grave. On September 10th, 1999, the remains recovered from that grave were re-interred in a burial vault inside the new wall, during a private ceremony.

The monument was dedicated the following day, September 11, 1999.

The victims: The names of the Arkansas Emigrants who died on September 11th, 1857, along with the names of the children who survived and were returned to their relatives in 1859, are engraved on the 1990 Monument.


You forgot to mention this part of the history:
Four years later, Brigham Young stopped at Mountain Meadows. Federal troops, outraged at the massacre, had erected a makeshift monument to those who had been murdered. On it were the words, "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord, and I will repay." Young gazed at it for a time, then ordered the monument torn down. "Vengeance is mine," he muttered, "and I have taken a little." http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program ... untain.htm
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Analytics wrote:
You forgot to mention this part of the history:
Four years later, Brigham Young stopped at Mountain Meadows. Federal troops, outraged at the massacre, had erected a makeshift monument to those who had been murdered. On it were the words, "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord, and I will repay." Young gazed at it for a time, then ordered the monument torn down. "Vengeance is mine," he muttered, "and I have taken a little." http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program ... untain.htm


For the life of me, I can't understand what motivated Brigham Young to say and do such things.
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I cut and pasted the above from the decendents website, where they are planning a 4 day event for this september.

Its their salad, they can put what they want in it, but feel free to add your piss and vinegar if it makes it taste better to you.
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Gazelam wrote:I cut and pasted the above from the decendents website, where they are planning a 4 day event for this september.

Its their salad, they can put what they want in it, but feel free to add your piss and vinegar if it makes it taste better to you.


Are those the same descendents the LDS were mocking today? Yah, those descendents are so hateful and anti-Mormon.

There's enough piss and vinegar to go around.
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My comment was solely to Analytics and no one else. Sorry if you misinterpreted.

There were no good guys in what occured in Mountain Meadows. The local Mormons in Cedar City had a bit of a history as a weird bunch. I have no ill feeling whatsoever towards any of the decendents.
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Gazelam wrote:My comment was solely to Analytics and no one else. Sorry if you misinterpreted.

There were no good guys in what occured in Mountain Meadows. The local Mormons in Cedar City had a bit of a history as a weird bunch. I have no ill feeling whatsoever towards any of the decendents.


I still haven't figured out what the Fancher Party did that made them "bad guys."

The whole thing is a mystery to me that makes no sense.
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I still haven't figured out why I'm so bored that I keep posting on here.
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I just meant that I don't view the Mormons involved in a positive way.

The only instigator type I know of were the bunch of roughnecks the party picked up along the way who were braging about having the gun that shot Joseph Smith.

The poor Fanchers walked into a tinder box, and thr rough necks that were with them were like a big "kick me" sign on their backs. Mix that up with the slighty off kilter bunh in Cedar City, and you get what happened.
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barrelomonkeys wrote:I still haven't figured out why I'm so bored that I keep posting on here.


This boards kind of like a continuous car crash, you keep looking to see if you can spot blood or dismemberment.
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barrelomonkeys wrote:I still haven't figured out why I'm so bored that I keep posting on here.


It's because we rule....you should only be scared if you're able to post on MAD for more than an hour straight without running away screaming at the sheer idiocy.
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