DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

[_EAllusion]

kiwi:

....Interestingly, one of his screen names was "Prop 8." Dan threatened to ban him a while back, but never quite got around to it. However, Prop 8 disappeared after he was outed for having used an Amazon book review and claimed it as his own.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the only genuine case of plagiarism to appear on Sic Et Non. But don't expect the obsessive haters at the Sty to make a fuss about it. They don't care about actual plagiarism; they only care about slinging mud at Dan.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4593900207

Fascinating. The part I bolded is not true of course, as has been documented in this thread and several others, fully and completely, over a very long period of time regarding so many separate instances of Peterson’s plagiarism that it’s become simply laughable. How else to think about a BYU professor who thinks this is acceptable?

Still, it is fascinating that, apropos of nothing, this commenter feels the need to bring it up now.

This lie will get repeated over and over so that, eventually, all that will be remembered by kiwi's fellow travelers is that some smear-artist named Lemmie frequented this board and manufactured false charges of plagiarism against the good doctor.

[_DrW]

This lie will get repeated over and over so that, eventually, all that will be remembered by kiwi's fellow travelers is that some smear-artist named Lemmie frequented this board and manufactured false charges of plagiarism against the good doctor.

Fortunately not all of those who have seen this thread are genuine fellow travelers of kiwi and DCP. Many are members who already have doubts or are just curious enough to come here for a look.

Many of these people are likely to consider the evidence for plagiarism by DCP that Lemmie and others have provided over the years on this thread. They have, or will, weigh it against the hollow protests of DCP, kiwi, Midgley and other sycophants who post comments over at SeN. At least some of these viewers will come to the conclusion that DCP operates pretty much as described here.

As pointed out on other threads on this board, there is a fundamental dishonesty and self-delusion that taints Mormon apologia in general and that is what most bothers the SeN crowd.

DCP, kiwi, and their ilk are struggling against a rising tide here. Each time I return to Utah, I'm struck by how many of my LDS relatives and acquaintances there (even if they work directly for the Church) indicate that they do not believe in Mormonism's religious nonsense, but stay active for cultural, social, and even professional reasons.

It grows reminiscent of the emerging social order among the more secular and educated as compared to more traditional Muslims in places like Kuwait, Turkey, Oman, and even Saudi Arabia. People who know better but find themselves living under religiously justified authoritarian regimes are simply going along to get along.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

His latest plagiarism:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -fall.html

He again claims to have so. many. manuscripts.

"Here’s a passage from a manuscript of mine"

Anyway. All he does is rehash the wiki article where he got his image from (oddly enough credited to the page where he stole his material from).

- Doc

[_Dr Exiled]

Unfuckin believable this guy. He's so blatant...as if he wants to be caught or defiantly parade his deeds for everyone to see.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

My Plagiarizin’ PeteR$on spidey sense is going off at about three alarms:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ffect.html

Anyone wanna take a crack at decoding his latest grift?

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I guess I'll do it. :(

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ffect.html

In this passage, Hesse sets forth a Buddhist conception of the cosmos and of human life as expressing an unbroken chain of cause and effect, without gaps, with no room in it for gods or divine grace.

https://www.shmoop.com/siddhartha/chapt ... mmary.html

Siddhartha admires the Buddha’s teaching that the world is a complete, unbroken chain of cause and effect. However, he doesn’t understand the doctrine of salvation and escape from the world if in fact the world is eternally one.

I also suspect this bit:

... to break the iron law of cause and effect, of karma, of justice. Mercy enters the world from the outside.

was wrangled from a google search of karma resulting in:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karma

An immutable law... is the law of cause and effect. Each cause sets free a corresponding effect. This law works everywhere as the most sublime rule.

The bit about mercy was probably a result from the wiki page also talking about mercy, but Mr. Peterson simply included it within his narrative.

Once again, we see Mr. Peterson claiming to read some deep tome about some aspect of philosophy, cosmology, or whatever. In reality, he gets an idea for a blog post, googles the topic, and then lifts concepts and phrases from an unsourced website.

BYU professor. Priesthood holder.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It becomes immediately apparent what Mr. Peter$on is up to. He pulls his usual trick by insinuating he has to get back to his study or some other repository stocked with the knowledge of a thousand scholars where he says:

Well, I'm in the Canadian Rockies on vacation right now, hundreds of miles from home and with no library resources. So I won't be able to do any checking for quite a while.

... thus deflecting what everyone knows, that he routinely googles some topic, finds a webpage or a wiki article to plagiarize, and then posts he's working on some 'manuscript' when in reality he just craps out some re-wording of someone else's work.

I just want it pointed out that since that comment that he's 'much too busy vacationing in the Canadian Rockies' he has since posted, what, 11 entries on Patheos that are commensurate with the effort he put into the original plagiarized Arabian Nights post?

Please note from his, "What we should think of current science can quite properly depend, in part, on theology" post he oddly declined to mention the BYU professor's name while linking to his work, and then he linked to two other articles, in additional to liberally quoting from someone named Alvin Platinga.

Quite curious, if you ask me, that he can post robustly on a variety of topics researched from the tips of his Rubenesque fingers, but can't seem to *snap* provide a follow-up to his plagiarized article and, forgive me for my language, his humbling ass kicking by user 'lcmccabe'.

Will he do a follow-up? Based on his long and cantankerous posting history it's very, very unlikely.

- Doc

He never provided a follow-up.

- Doc

[_Physics Guy]

I don’t think “unbroken chain of cause and effect” is plagiarism from schmoop. It’s in the passage from Hesse that Peterson quotes.

I don’t see what’s wrong with the green phrases, either.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don’t think “unbroken chain of cause and effect” is plagiarism from schmoop. It’s in the passage from Hesse that Peterson quotes.

I don’t see what’s wrong with the green phrases, either.

They weren’t sourced.

Again, PG, we’ve identified his MO, which is to claim he’s reading some brainy book on some brainy matter, or he has a manuscript (lol), whatever that means, and he does a google search on the topic, lifts and pastes content onto a “file”, and whips up a blog post. All I’ve done is back engineered his googling. I identify the small bits of plagiarized material in his articles by copying the phrases that don’t match his syntax, pasting those bits into google, and the results come up. He’s a frequent stealer of uncredited material from wiki (he took that last small idea from wikiquotes), and in this case I’ve narrowed down the first bit to schmoop.

Remember, all he needs for a blog post are bits and pieces of inspiration from quick google searches. Anyway, I’m genuinely surprised you’ve been so consistent in your defense of his behavior in the face of clear and obvious unethical conduct.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So, this morning I was curious about any other articles Mr. Peterson might've cobbled together using the keyword 'siddhartha'. I googled 'site:deseretnews.com + peterson + siddhartha' and got these hits:

https://www.deseret.com/platform/amp/20 ... ate-buddha

https://www.deseret.com/2018/9/29/20654 ... umar-singh

https://www.deseret.com/2019/2/15/20666 ... avan-india

dated September 5, 2013, Sep 29, 2018, and Feb 15, 2019 respectively.

From the 2013 article Mr. Peterson doesn't take long to get right to his uncredited use of this source:

https://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

The word Buddha means "awakened one" or "the enlightened one". "Buddha" is also used as a title for the first awakened being in an era. In most Buddhist traditions, Siddhartha Gautama is regarded as the Supreme Buddha (Pali sammāsambuddha, Sanskrit samyaksaṃbuddha) of our age.

From his desnews piece:

“Buddha” is a title, meaning “enlightened” or “awakened” in the ancient Pali language in which much of the Buddhist canon was written.

Remember. Mr. Peterson isn't some polymath who has such a vast repository of Buddhist teachings in his head that he'd inadvertently wordsmith a phrase together that just so happens to mirror the same elements in the wiki article. This is important to remember for the Peter$on apologists who, for some unknown reason, can't fathom how or why he'd do something like that over and over and over and over and over again.

Moving on, if you read the article and then compare and contrast against the linked wiki article you basically see how he just rewrote what's there. He does a good job of using his own words, but the ideas flow in order of the wiki article, and it's obvious he's just doing a rewrite. Here's just one example of many I could provide from the DesNews piece:

He spent the next 45 years, until his death in the late fifth century BC, as a wandering teacher in India, serving humanity, forming Buddhist communities and teaching mankind the path to enlightenment.

contrasted against the wiki article:

The Buddha spent the rest of his life traveling throughout northeastern India and teaching the path of awakening he had discovered. He died at the age of 80 (note: in the wiki article it mentions Buddha is 35 when he makes his spiritual breakthrough, so Peterson just does the math here) in Kushinagar, India.

Anyway. The whole DesNews article follows a thorough plagiarism of the wiki article, just rewritten in his words with no accreditation whatsoever. It's too onerous for me to sit here and parse out all the similarities (bolding and highlighting the similar words and phrases), idea-stealing, and demonstrating the flow of both articles when you can just read the two and see it for yourselves. Its' taken me half an hour to do just this little workup, and I don't have the energy to construct a Lemmian or Tomian takedown.

- Doc