The distance between Christianity and the 4 Gospels

[malkie]

Suicide bombers can say the same thing 2.0. Nobody can say for sure that God doesn't order suicide bombings. Suicide bombers also look through a glass darkly. They don't completely understand the nature and character of God, there is plenty of room for faith.

It’s an interesting point. At the end of the day the faith that drives suicide bombers to kill is the same as the faith that drove Nephi to lop off Labans head whilst he was passed out drunk. Both felt they were doing their deities bidding. Both have the same chances of being right. The only difference is the team colours. I mean, when you boil it all down and remove the hand waving and smoke and mirrors.

If Nelson issued a call for suicide bombers, would 2.0 answer the call? If not, then he really doesn’t have the faith in his religion that he claims to hold.

Would 2.0 allow his wife to be sealed to Nelson? His daughter? Will he consecrate himself to the church and sign over all his property to the church in his last will and testament?

Faith is just a synonym of hope or wish.

He may simply choose to believe in a god that does not want him to do these things.

It's a 'get out of jail free' card that never expires or wears out.

[MG 2.0]

Suicide bombers can say the same thing 2.0. Nobody can say for sure that God doesn't order suicide bombings. Suicide bombers also look through a glass darkly. They don't completely understand the nature and character of God, there is plenty of room for faith.

Subjectively, your argument would hold water among those that believe killing innocent people indiscriminately is fine and dandy. You’re always going to have some loonies. So yes, suicide bombers could say the same thing as you suggest. Although, truth be told, they seemed rather adamant that their intentions and understandings were very clear.

No opaqueness at all.

Did God order Jim Jones to have his adherents drink the kool-aid? Was it God that suggested to Pol Pot that he massacre innocent people by the thousands? I mean, gosh, where are you going to draw the subjective line? Anything goes.

Objectively, however, killing innocents is JUST WRONG. By any objective standard.

I don’t think your comparison of suicide bombers with those…all of us…who see through a glass darkly when trying to understand the infinite is a fair comparison.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

All too often, when one invokes faith they belie the very tool, or only sensible one, we have--rationality. Faith seems to be thrown in, as it is in this case, to suggest our reason for our belief is a lack of reason and we call that faith.

It’s always interesting to point out that it is the non believer who claims rationality while at the same time excluding the evidence of that which the eye cannot see and the ear cannot hear…as though there is only one way to obtain truth.

Setting limits? That’s rational?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Suicide bombers can say the same thing 2.0. Nobody can say for sure that God doesn't order suicide bombings. Suicide bombers also look through a glass darkly. They don't completely understand the nature and character of God, there is plenty of room for faith.

It’s an interesting point. At the end of the day the faith that drives suicide bombers to kill is the same as the faith that drove Nephi to lop off Labans head whilst he was passed out drunk. Both felt they were doing their deities bidding. Both have the same chances of being right. The only difference is the team colours. I mean, when you boil it all down and remove the hand waving and smoke and mirrors.

If Nelson issued a call for suicide bombers, would 2.0 answer the call?

So you’re saying that President Nelson would receive revelation from God to kill innocents indiscriminately?

Was Laban an innocent?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Would 2.0 allow his wife to be sealed to Nelson? His daughter? Will he consecrate himself to the church and sign over all his property to the church in his last will and testament?

Faith is just a hope or a wish.

You seem to have a fetish towards irrational musings. The question is, would a completely sane person suggest what you have? I think your hatred of the LDS Church and its leaders has gotten the better of you. And I mean that literally.

Your hypotheticals are borderline crazy.

Now, I would expect you’ll treat us to a trip down memory lane…

Regards,
MG

[malkie]

Suicide bombers can say the same thing 2.0. Nobody can say for sure that God doesn't order suicide bombings. Suicide bombers also look through a glass darkly. They don't completely understand the nature and character of God, there is plenty of room for faith.

Subjectively, your argument would hold water among those that believe killing innocent people indiscriminately is fine and dandy. You’re always going to have some loonies. So yes, suicide bombers could say the same thing as you suggest. Although, truth be told, they seemed rather adamant that their intentions and understandings were very clear.

No opaqueness at all.

Did God order Jim Jones to have his adherents drink the kool-aid? Was it God that suggested to Pol Pot that he massacre innocent people by the thousands? I mean, gosh, where are you going to draw the subjective line? Anything goes.

Objectively, however, killing innocents is JUST WRONG. By any objective standard.

I don’t think your comparison of suicide bombers with those…all of us…who see through a glass darkly when trying to understand the infinite is a fair comparison.

Regards,
MG

Noah's flood - killed men, women, children, animals of all sorts. Were all, even babies and animals - wicked?

You don't know the mind of god, and cannot even be sure that your god is good - by any objective standard. The Israelites slaughtered other tribes at the command of their god, so how can you possibly know if Jim Jones, Pol Pot, and others were following god's commands.

As I said before, you simply choose to ignore (or disparage) evidence that contradicts you, even from your own scriptures. You choose to believe in a god whose characteristics you have invented - your very own subjective standard.

[Marcus]

I honestly don't understand the reason that some of you folks are SO adamant about proving your point. Or continuing to point out that the evidence for God can go either way and so your way is it....

Okay, which of "you folks" has continued to "point out that the evidence for God can go either way..."?????

Sorry, nope. But that's a very interesting conversational gambit. Not one that instills confidence in your stated reasons for posting here, although it's possible it could be so ingrained into one's conversational habits that one doesn't realize how dishonest it is.

This board wouldn't even exist if not for the fact that non theists can't let God alone.....

Wow. That is such a limited perspective. But, understandable, given your explanations of why you post here. I'm sorry you can't enjoy the interaction here with your fellow human beings more. There are some very interesting conversations here!

anyway, be well. Hate less. : D

[MG 2.0]

anyway, be well. Hate less. : D

This I believe.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Subjectively, your argument would hold water among those that believe killing innocent people indiscriminately is fine and dandy. You’re always going to have some loonies. So yes, suicide bombers could say the same thing as you suggest. Although, truth be told, they seemed rather adamant that their intentions and understandings were very clear.

No opaqueness at all.

Did God order Jim Jones to have his adherents drink the kool-aid? Was it God that suggested to Pol Pot that he massacre innocent people by the thousands? I mean, gosh, where are you going to draw the subjective line? Anything goes.

Objectively, however, killing innocents is JUST WRONG. By any objective standard.

I don’t think your comparison of suicide bombers with those…all of us…who see through a glass darkly when trying to understand the infinite is a fair comparison.

Regards,
MG

Noah's flood - killed men, women, children, animals of all sorts. Were all, even babies and animals - wicked?

You don't know the mind of god, and cannot even be sure that your god is good - by any objective standard. The Israelites slaughtered other tribes at the command of their god, so how can you possibly know if Jim Jones, Pol Pot, and others were following god's commands.

As I said before, you simply choose to ignore (or disparage) evidence that contradicts you, even from your own scriptures. You choose to believe in a god whose characteristics you have invented - your very own subjective standard.

You are going off the Old Testament for your rationale to disbelieve in God?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

anyway, be well. Hate less. : D

This I believe.

Regards,
MG

Good! Looking forward to seeing that from you here. It will be a welcome change to your posting style.