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[_Gazelam]

Maybe your right, maybe I'm taking what I see through the media over whats really out there. But it seems to me that there were more practiceing and believeing christians then than there is now.

Heres an experiment you can do this weekend. I am sure where you live there are plenty of used/antique book stores. Go to a good one, and compare the content of the books published before the mid 60's, and after the mid 60's. Then oyu tell me why I would have the viewpoint that I do.

[_Runtu]

Maybe your right, maybe I'm taking what I see through the media over whats really out there. But it seems to me that there were more practiceing and believeing christians then than there is now.

Heres an experiment you can do this weekend. I am sure where you live there are plenty of used/antique book stores. Go to a good one, and compare the content of the books published before the mid 60's, and after the mid 60's. Then oyu tell me why I would have the viewpoint that I do.

Um, you're not serious, are you? Have you ever read the pulp fiction published in the 40s, 50s, and 60s? The lewdness factor is not much different from today, but the misogyny is through the roof. People seem to have this idealized version of the 50s based on Leave It to Beaver and Happy Days. The reality is something else entirely.

[_Jersey Girl]

Maybe your right, maybe I'm taking what I see through the media over whats really out there. But it seems to me that there were more practiceing and believeing christians then than there is now.

Heres an experiment you can do this weekend. I am sure where you live there are plenty of used/antique book stores. Go to a good one, and compare the content of the books published before the mid 60's, and after the mid 60's. Then oyu tell me why I would have the viewpoint that I do.

Prior to the mid 60's? Maybe I can dig up the How to book for the KKK.

Jersey Girl

[_harmony]

When you reflect back through the images of time, where do you see the images of family and values begin to dissintegrate?

Gaz, you might want to do some research into what we call "family" and what we call "values" now. I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised to see how recently what we refer to as "family" became the norm for society. It's a pretty recent phenomena, and is based on inheritance law, not God's law.

[_Gazelam]

Pulp: cheap throwaway novels made for the lowest and basest members of society. It represents only the most degenerate of the time period.

But here we might have an example also, lets compare that trash to the equivelant today. I think the example would still stand, don't you?

[_Runtu]

When you reflect back through the images of time, where do you see the images of family and values begin to dissintegrate?

Gaz, you might want to do some research into what we call "family" and what we call "values" now. I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised to see how recently what we refer to as "family" became the norm for society. It's a pretty recent phenomena, and is based on inheritance law, not God's law.

Yep, the nuclear family, as defined by mid-20th century standards, was a recent development brought about by, as you said, inheritance laws and the Industrial Revolution. Weird, isn't it, that such a recent innovation so quickly became "traditional"?

[_Gazelam]

Wow, to think it took six thousand years for the concept of Mom, Dad, and kids to be the idea of a family. Who knew.

[_Runtu]

Pulp: cheap throwaway novels made for the lowest and basest members of society. It represents only the most degenerate of the time period.

But here we might have an example also, lets compare that trash to the equivelant today. I think the example would still stand, don't you?

Nope, I don't. Ever read "In Cold Blood" or "From Here to Eternity"? The latter was one of the most popular novels of the postwar era. Heck, DH Lawrence was writing stuff in the 20s that is graphic even by today's standards. As were Henry Miller and Anais Nin. For gay fiction, read anything written by James Baldwin in the 50s.

Seriously, you must not read much.

[_Runtu]

Wow, to think it took six thousand years for the concept of Mom, Dad, and kids to be the idea of a family. Who knew.

That's not what I said. The "traditional" roles (Dad going to work, Mom staying home with the kids) are developments from the time of the Industrial Revolution. But then a case could be made that the concept of a nuclear family as you describe it is indeed a recent one. In earlier times, women and children were little more than property and available labor in many ways.

[_jayneedoe]

Gaz,

Would you mind? How old are you and where did you grow up?

Jaynee

P.S. If you don't want to answer that's okay.