THE POSSIBILITY THAT BRIGHAM YOUNG WAS CORRECT

[_silentkid]

Gaz,

Brigham Young attended the temple. He saw and interpreted things differently than Bruce R. McConkie did. In fact, the temple ceremony that Brigham Young participated in was more closely tied to Joseph Smith's version of temple worship than the ceremony that Bruce R. McConkie participated in. Again, how do you know who was right or wrong concerning Adam/God? Have you prayed about it? Has the spirit told you one way or another? This gets to the heart of the matter. How can you decide that someone else's personal revelation is invalid? There is no test for this. That puts all claims based on personal revelation on shaky ground.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Silent Kid...

Brigham Young attended the temple. He saw and interpreted things differently than Bruce R. McConkie did. In fact, the temple ceremony that Brigham Young participated in was more closely tied to Joseph Smith's version of temple worship than the ceremony that Bruce R. McConkie participated in. Again, how do you know who was right or wrong concerning Adam/God? Have you prayed about it? Has the spirit told you one way or another? This gets to the heart of the matter. How can you decide that someone else's personal revelation is invalid? There is no test for this. That puts all claims based on personal revelation on shaky ground.

Further, it suggests that either BRM, OR BY, received incorrect information from the HG.

This is the problem.

To assert that what the prophets teach and speak, as leaders of the church, as spokesmen for Christ, as prophets of the one and only true church is wrong suggests they are not in tune with the spirit. Do any apologists think these leaders didn't pray for guidance? Fast to have the spirit? Ponder and plead to teach what God wants them to?

~dancer~

[_ozemc]

Man might think that polygamy of terrible and close to adultery, but the Lord looks upon it as something glorious and beautiful.

Perhaps we might need to change our thinking of the subject and study it out in our hearts to be in the same line of thought of the Lord.

To defer one's thinking to a nonprovable God, and to assume words written long ago are divinely connected and should be assumed true...is NOT thinking. It is the antithesis, it is ...allowing the words and advice, the thinking of others to superceded our own. Your sentence.."Perhaps we might need to change our thinking of the subject and study it out in our hearts to be in the same line of thought of the Lord." illustrates that what you are suggesting is to rely on gut feelings, emotions instead of thinking. If a God exists, he gave man a brain to be used.

Amen, Marg! :-)

I guess the idea that best comes close to what I experience when dealing with Mormons I know is that this is a church that tells you to leave your brain at the door.

No matter what the facts are, just pray on it.

Sorry, but, like you say, I do believe we have this brain for a reason. Faith is one thing, but blind faith will lead you to "drink the kool-aid", as it were.

[_silentkid]

Further, it suggests that either BRM, OR BY, received incorrect information from the HG.

This is the problem.

To assert that what the prophets teach and speak, as leaders of the church, as spokesmen for Christ, as prophets of the one and only true church is wrong suggests they are not in tune with the spirit. Do any apologists think these leaders didn't pray for guidance? Fast to have the spirit? Ponder and plead to teach what God wants them to?

Exactly.

[_truth dancer]

No matter what the facts are, just pray on it.

Pray on it and if you get the wrong answer you are doing something wrong... ya know, you are not obedient enough, not sincere enough, not faithful enough, too close minded, asking too often, or not often enough, not using the right words, not having enough faith, not coming with the proper intentions, not patient enough, too demanding, not open hearted.....SOMETHING.

:-(

~dancer~

[_Jason Bourne]

Hi Silent Kid...

Brigham Young attended the temple. He saw and interpreted things differently than Bruce R. McConkie did. In fact, the temple ceremony that Brigham Young participated in was more closely tied to Joseph Smith's version of temple worship than the ceremony that Bruce R. McConkie participated in. Again, how do you know who was right or wrong concerning Adam/God? Have you prayed about it? Has the spirit told you one way or another? This gets to the heart of the matter. How can you decide that someone else's personal revelation is invalid? There is no test for this. That puts all claims based on personal revelation on shaky ground.

Further, it suggests that either BRM, OR BY, received incorrect information from the HG.

This is the problem.

To assert that what the prophets teach and speak, as leaders of the church, as spokesmen for Christ, as prophets of the one and only true church is wrong suggests they are not in tune with the spirit. Do any apologists think these leaders didn't pray for guidance? Fast to have the spirit? Ponder and plead to teach what God wants them to?

~dancer~

For me at least this does seem problematic.

I am still wondering how Gaz simply dimssses Brigham and thinks it a minor issue. Did the Prophet of God know who God was or what? Joseph Smith said to know who God is and His charecter and nature adn attributes is the fisrt principle of salvation. Come on Gaz, answer me DUDE!!!

[_truth dancer]

Yes Jason... I agree.

The thing is, when the "just an opinon" excuse is used when a leader turns out to be wrong, it completely suggests that the HG was not involved... or that the HG was flat out wrong.

What.... did the prophets forget to pray? Did they think they were getting inspiration when in fact they were not? Did the HG mislead them? What?

It is not that everything out of the mouth of a prophet has to be correct... but certainly if the HG is supposed to be available for inspiration there should be some sort of reality/truth/correctness to their teachings.

If the prophets can't get the right message from the HG then what about the average person who isn't called to be a spokesperson for Jesus?

Ya know?

:-)

~dancer~

[_Jason Bourne]

Yo Gaz!!!

Waiting for you to explain how you can say BY was in lala land about AG......

[_silentkid]

When one's truth claims rely only on personal revelation (i.e. intuition) or authority (i.e. the scriptures or church leaders), there is no way to rationalize a situation like this. When church leaders present contradictory doctrinal or policy claims, how does the believing member choose which claim to accept? Whose personal revelation is more valid? I think Gaz has found himself in a quandary.

[_Sethbag]

For me at least this does seem problematic.

I am still wondering how Gaz simply dimssses Brigham and thinks it a minor issue. Did the Prophet of God know who God was or what? Joseph Smith said to know who God is and His charecter and nature adn attributes is the fisrt principle of salvation. Come on Gaz, answer me DUDE!!!

Close your eyes and sing "Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah, though apparently none of his successors ever did, especially Brigham Young, who seems not to have been able to tell Jehovah from a hole in the head!"