maklelan wrote:I'm trying to point out that our church does not spend a dime on interpreting other people's religions for them or telling them why their beliefs are wrong. Trying to compare missionary work to this is a fallacy. They differ in every aspect except for a broad generalization about trying to convert others.
maklelan wrote:I'm trying to point out that our church does not spend a dime on interpreting other people's religions for them or telling them why their beliefs are wrong. Trying to compare missionary work to this is a fallacy. They differ in every aspect except for a broad generalization about trying to convert others.
I thought for a second that you were referring to the preacher in the temple pericope, but that doesn't at all touch my statement. We don't direct it at them at all. I have no problem whatsoever with a religion trying to understand or even criticize other religions within its own system, but we're talking about taking those arguments and dropping them on the doorsteps of other faiths. I'm afraid this temple reference has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.
I thought for a second that you were referring to the preacher in the temple pericope, but that doesn't at all touch my statement. We don't direct it at them at all. I have no problem whatsoever with a religion trying to understand or even criticize other religions within its own system, but we're talking about taking those arguments and dropping them on the doorsteps of other faiths. I'm afraid this temple reference has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.
Let me see if I can explain what I was thinking. We went to the temple, were told that other churches taught nonsensical things about God (and weren't we glad we knew better?) and then we went on our missions with a preconceived notion about what other people believed. Are you saying that none of us ever said either explicitly or implicitly that other people's beliefs were wrong on these matters? And was it our fault, not the church's, if we were just repeating what we had been taught in a temple of God?
Runtu wrote:Let me see if I can explain what I was thinking. We went to the temple, were told that other churches taught nonsensical things about God (and weren't we glad we knew better?) and then we went on our missions with a preconceived notion about what other people believed. Are you saying that none of us ever said either explicitly or implicitly that other people's beliefs were wrong on these matters? And was it our fault, not the church's, if we were just repeating what we had been taught in a temple of God?
So now the church is responsible if a missionary bible-bashes because the church put it in the head of the missionary that the other churches are wrong? I just disagree entirely with that. Missionaries are taught to let the greater light shine, not to waste their time tearing down the faith of others. From Joseph Smith down they've been taught to build up instead of destroy.
maklelan wrote:So now the church is responsible if a missionary bible-bashes because the church put it in the head of the missionary that the other churches are wrong? I just disagree entirely with that. Missionaries are taught to let the greater light shine, not to waste their time tearing down the faith of others. From Joseph Smith down they've been taught to build up instead of destroy.
Did I say anything about Bible-bashing? But yes, the church is responsible for its missionaries teachings if those teachings come from the church (and they did).
I'm glad you find happiness in the church, Mak. Life's really too short to argue.
why me wrote:Excuse me for imposing myself on this thread but I wonder what exactly is the cost for producing the DVD? To my understanding such dvds are not free to make. Someone is out of pocket for this right? Now I know that all here, especially the critics are balanced :=) in their posting but I have not seen one post criticize the the cost of this dvd production. You see, ladies and gents, such money could have went to the poor and to all those in need. Instead, it went into making this dvd. Now isn't that a waste of good christian money? What would Christ think of such waste? And so many Americans in need these days. And I am sure that this dvd is not edible. Right?
Matthew 26:7-13. You'll find that most Christians don't object to the cost of the gospel being preached, and would not see this DVD as a waste.
True but they should. Why waste money attacking a faith in such a way as this. My gosh, we are speaking about thousands of dvds being distributed not to mention the money that will be spent making these dvds. It is a total waste of money.
Seven wrote: Why Me, It's no different than the LDS church spending money for missionary work trying to convince other faiths that they are the true church and the others are false.
If you want to start a thread on where all the LDS tithing money goes compared to other faiths, I would like to see how much is spent on all the children and people who are in need and starving. That would be interesting. This DVD is a drop in the bucket compared to the money wasted on frivelous purchases, the conference center (that wasn't necessary) and lame cheesy LDS commercials about family....isn't it about ... time?"
I don't think so. Missionaries go out and preach the gospel. But I don't hear them attacking a religion. It may be true that they talk about an apostacy but I do not consider this to be the same thing. This dvd is specifically targeted against Mormons and that makes all the difference. I would say the same thing if it was targeted to catholics or any other religious organizations. It is a waste of money.
neworder wrote:IOn the way to work I was listening to Bob Lonsberry on KNRS 570 and he was talking all about it. A few believers called the show and said they started watching it and then got mad and turned it off and then felt the spirit of the restored gospel and now their testimony is stronger. Bob Lonsberry went on about how these DVDs are an attack from Satan and I am sure that most LDS will think the same thing. Just like how other religions (including the EVs that put these out) think that Satan is attacking them. I am sure that if Richard Dawkins went around putting copies of "The God Delusion" on the same doors of the EV, they would be throwing a fit.
I had to laugh at this part of your post. It is good to hear that people's testimonies are getting stronger. And yes, the EVs would have a fit if such a thing did happen to them.